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[bmwpower]

just gonna add my 2 cents.


i've said all long last year was a fluke for bmw, they were there to pick up the points dropped by ferrari and maclaren, their car was never a contender. So this years performance doesn't surprise me one bit. I wont be sad to see them go, and hopefully they makeway for a more exciting team

So if you are saying last year was a fluke and dominated by only Ferrari and McLaren and points dropped by them should be picked up easily by any other team then why is BMW 35 points ahead of 4th place Renault, 79points ahead of 5th place Toyota? If its a fluke then 3rd, 4th, 5th, should be close. If it was a fluke for BMW last year, then using your theory, McLaren and Ferrari is a fluke too considering McLaren are 86pts behind Brawn and Ferrari are 74pts out of 1st place.

[madbrad]

Williams has and is now sticking it out in a way longer drought than BMW is experiencing. So has Ferrari and McLaren. I think there are 2 factors that may explain how BMW can't do that:

1: Poor economy. Just bad luck as far as timing goes.
2: They are a real carmaker with real life business needs and must always consider the bottom line. This goes in line with reason #1. Honda did it last year too, Ford didit before that, and lots of others did it in the past, and historically they do come back in some form eventually. Ferrari doesn't count because they simply sell cars to fund their F1 involvement.

[myownalias]

1: Poor economy. Just bad luck as far as timing goes.
2: They are a real carmaker with real life business needs and must always consider the bottom line. This goes in line with reason #1. Honda did it last year too, Ford didit before that, and lots of others did it in the past, and historically they do come back in some form eventually.

This is why I have been so anti-FOTA because the manufacturers will bail when the going isn't good, both Toyota and Renault have posted huge losses recently!
Will Toyota and Renault be the next to announce their departure from F1?

[EwanM]

1: Poor economy. Just bad luck as far as timing goes.
2: They are a real carmaker with real life business needs and must always consider the bottom line. This goes in line with reason #1. Honda did it last year too, Ford didit before that, and lots of others did it in the past, and historically they do come back in some form eventually.

This is why I have been so anti-FOTA because the manufacturers will bail when the going isn't good, both Toyota and Renault have posted huge losses recently!
Will Toyota and Renault be the next to announce their departure from F1?

I fear that...

[darwin dali]

1: Poor economy. Just bad luck as far as timing goes.
2: They are a real carmaker with real life business needs and must always consider the bottom line. This goes in line with reason #1. Honda did it last year too, Ford didit before that, and lots of others did it in the past, and historically they do come back in some form eventually.

This is why I have been so anti-FOTA because the manufacturers will bail when the going isn't good, both Toyota and Renault have posted huge losses recently!
Will Toyota and Renault be the next to announce their departure from F1?

I fear that...

Ewee's gonna be a Manor fan, nana, nana, NAnah!

[EwanM]

1: Poor economy. Just bad luck as far as timing goes.
2: They are a real carmaker with real life business needs and must always consider the bottom line. This goes in line with reason #1. Honda did it last year too, Ford didit before that, and lots of others did it in the past, and historically they do come back in some form eventually.

This is why I have been so anti-FOTA because the manufacturers will bail when the going isn't good, both Toyota and Renault have posted huge losses recently!
Will Toyota and Renault be the next to announce their departure from F1?

I fear that...

Ewee's gonna be a Manor fan, nana, nana, NAnah!

Seems like I won't be a fan of any team post-2012

[EwanM]

Unless the Enstone outfit got bought of course.

[bud]

This is why I have been so anti-FOTA because the manufacturers will bail when the going isn't good, both Toyota and Renault have posted huge losses recently!
Will Toyota and Renault be the next to announce their departure from F1?

Youre confusing the GPMA (Grand Prix Manufacturers Association) with FOTA (Formula One Teams Association).

[EwanM]

This is why I have been so anti-FOTA because the manufacturers will bail when the going isn't good, both Toyota and Renault have posted huge losses recently!
Will Toyota and Renault be the next to announce their departure from F1?

Youre confusing the GPMA (Grand Prix Manufacturers Association) with FOTA (Formula One Teams Association).

But the vast majority of FOTA members are Manufacturers, so I suppose the same rule applies.

[bud]

This is why I have been so anti-FOTA because the manufacturers will bail when the going isn't good, both Toyota and Renault have posted huge losses recently!
Will Toyota and Renault be the next to announce their departure from F1?

Youre confusing the GPMA (Grand Prix Manufacturers Association) with FOTA (Formula One Teams Association).

But the vast majority of FOTA members are Manufacturers, so I suppose the same rule applies.

thats because the vast majority of F1 teams are manufacturers.

[EwanM]

This is why I have been so anti-FOTA because the manufacturers will bail when the going isn't good, both Toyota and Renault have posted huge losses recently!
Will Toyota and Renault be the next to announce their departure from F1?

Youre confusing the GPMA (Grand Prix Manufacturers Association) with FOTA (Formula One Teams Association).

But the vast majority of FOTA members are Manufacturers, so I suppose the same rule applies.

thats because the vast majority of F1 teams are manufacturers.

Yes of course, but myownalias isn't wrong in his prediction. It could easily happen.

[headless]

Will Toyota and Renault be the next to announce their departure from F1?

Yes.
Well Toyota at least, Renault have had some continuity I guess.
Personally I hope they both saty for a long long time.

[EwanM]

Will Toyota and Renault be the next to announce their departure from F1?

Yes.
Well Toyota at least, Renault have had some continuity I guess.
Personally I hope they both saty for a long long time.

I'd like to think they'd stay in F1 until at least 2012, because of the new Concorde Agreement. However as the manufacturers are dictated by the car market and their boardrooms, that may not be possible.

[headless]

Will Toyota and Renault be the next to announce their departure from F1?

Yes.
Well Toyota at least, Renault have had some continuity I guess.
Personally I hope they both saty for a long long time.

I'd like to think they'd stay in F1 until at least 2012, because of the new Concorde Agreement. However as the manufacturers are dictated by the car market and their boardrooms, that may not be possible.

The economy should be on an up, soon, so they should hopefully stay with us.

[Big Azza]

Well I was on about Big Azza.

Think Big Azza is a bloke.

Arran, yeah he's a bloke

Close - it's Aaron.
Yeah. I'm a bloke. But as of this stage, I've been unable to post any pictures on this forum (because I'm stupid). I will try here:


Yummy. Now I finally might add this to the "Who are you" section!

Although, I'm sure I would've made a lovely lady!