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[Gaz]

Isn't it twice as unsafe to have double, or more, fuel load on board? I realize the fuel cells are incredibly strong and the chance of a leak or spill during an accident is low, but sooner or later the odds have to catch up and there will be a fiery crash with gas going up in flames.

I do kind of like the idea as far as knowing the weight of the car and how it can be driven will change more as the fuel load burns off.

When was the last time you saw a fireball after a crash?

[darwin dali]

Isn't it twice as unsafe to have double, or more, fuel load on board? I realize the fuel cells are incredibly strong and the chance of a leak or spill during an accident is low, but sooner or later the odds have to catch up and there will be a fiery crash with gas going up in flames.

I do kind of like the idea as far as knowing the weight of the car and how it can be driven will change more as the fuel load burns off.

When was the last time you saw a fireball after a crash?

Before Mosley became president

[phiend]

Isn't it twice as unsafe to have double, or more, fuel load on board? I realize the fuel cells are incredibly strong and the chance of a leak or spill during an accident is low, but sooner or later the odds have to catch up and there will be a fiery crash with gas going up in flames.

I do kind of like the idea as far as knowing the weight of the car and how it can be driven will change more as the fuel load burns off.

When was the last time you saw a fireball after a crash?

In F1? I've admitted before I've only been watching for a short while now, but I don't recall seeing any. Since that has only been from late in the 08 season, not having seen one doesn't mean much. Its not that I expect 2 or 3 a race or even a season. I just feel eventually one will happen and that it could be made significantly worse due to the extra fuel.

[NateDawg80126]

Isn't it twice as unsafe to have double, or more, fuel load on board? I realize the fuel cells are incredibly strong and the chance of a leak or spill during an accident is low, but sooner or later the odds have to catch up and there will be a fiery crash with gas going up in flames.

I do kind of like the idea as far as knowing the weight of the car and how it can be driven will change more as the fuel load burns off.

When was the last time you saw a fireball after a crash?

In F1? I've admitted before I've only been watching for a short while now, but I don't recall seeing any. Since that has only been from late in the 08 season, not having seen one doesn't mean much. Its not that I expect 2 or 3 a race or even a season. I just feel eventually one will happen and that it could be made significantly worse due to the extra fuel.

I agree with you, though I admit I can't recall any fires being started after a wreck recently, Massa's pit stop in Spain a few years back proves that the fuel is still just as volatile as its ever been, I fear its only a matter of time...

[texasmr2]

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[myownalias]

Forgive me if I have missed something, I've not been on the forum for a day or two but is the refuelling ban going ahead with the 2009 rules remaining in 2010?

If it is happening, I believe it's pointless when each driver needs to stop at least once for tyres. Let's just have a non-stop 200 mile race!

[texasmr2]

Forgive me if I have missed something, I've not been on the forum for a day or two but is the refuelling ban going ahead with the 2009 rules remaining in 2010?

If it is happening, I believe it's pointless when each driver needs to stop at least once for tyres. Let's just have a non-stop 200 mile race!

The refueling ban just mean's a team will have to focus more on racecraft and race strategy, which I'm all for, instead of a 2-3-stop sprint race as we have now.

[myownalias]

The refueling ban just mean's a team will have to focus more on racecraft and race strategy, which I'm all for, instead of a 2-3-stop sprint race as we have now.

But if the two tyre compounds are required to be used next season, each driver will need to stop at least once. The refuelling ban may not make a blind bit of difference if tyres are not capable of going a race distance or even half distance especially with the extra fuel load accelerating tyre wear!

[texasmr2]

The refueling ban just mean's a team will have to focus more on racecraft and race strategy, which I'm all for, instead of a 2-3-stop sprint race as we have now.

But if the two tyre compounds are required to be used next season, each driver will need to stop at least once. The refuelling ban may not make a blind bit of difference if tyres are not capable of going a race distance or even half distance especially with the extra fuel load accelerating tyre wear!

Yes sir you are correct about that so with that scenario the tire manufacture better be taking that into consideration developing next years super-hard compound . Another scenario could come into play also in that a team/chassis such as BGP has this season could start with the super hard compound and walk away from the field. Thus building up enough of a lead so that they can pit for softy's and on a light fuel load disappear into the distance or vise versa.

There are just way to many strategie's that can be played out.

[myownalias]

The refueling ban just mean's a team will have to focus more on racecraft and race strategy, which I'm all for, instead of a 2-3-stop sprint race as we have now.

But if the two tyre compounds are required to be used next season, each driver will need to stop at least once. The refuelling ban may not make a blind bit of difference if tyres are not capable of going a race distance or even half distance especially with the extra fuel load accelerating tyre wear!

Yes sir you are correct about that so with that scenario the tire manufacture better be taking that into consideration developing next years super-hard compound . Another scenario could come into play also in that a team/chassis such as BGP has this season could start with the super hard compound and walk away from the field. Thus building up enough of a lead so that they can pit for softy's and on a light fuel load disappear into the distance or vise versa.

There are just way to many strategie's that can be played out.

I'll give you that; but isn't that much like having different fuel load strategies, a short fast first stint to get away from the chasing field and then have a heavier second stint to the end? Given different scenarios with the refuelling ban could mean even more dominance from one or two teams all season as running light won't be an option in qualifying to create different starting grids and potential different winners. I'm not against the ban, I just don't see it making that much difference unless they ban tyre changes as well!

[h-tomek]

I don't see refueling ban as perfect option. But, it could do. There are a lot arguments pro and against this rule, but, one thing is certain, it'll be different than this year, and in the beginning we could see interesting races.

Only problem is engine development ban for two (or tree) more years. I think FIA should allow teams to develop engines that would need less fuel, that would be "green".

[myownalias]

Only problem is engine development ban for two (or tree) more years. I think FIA should allow teams to develop engines that would need less fuel, that would be "green".

Mosley was bleating on about 1.3L turbo engine a few years ago; maybe that'll be an option, only a slightly larger fuel tank would required!

Maybe some of the more technical boffins on here could work out whether 800bhp could come from such a small engine?

[NateDawg80126]

lol, that would be funny as hell to watch, they would sound like weed-wackers with engines that size... makes me chuckle just thinking about it.

[SimonB]

But if people aren't coming in to re-fuel isn't there more chance of people getting stuck in a 'Trulli Train'?, and someone running away at the front? Like Vettel at the British GP with Webber stuck behind Barichello until he came in? Or will the 1 lap qualifying specialists not be at the front because they wont be able to run a light fuel load in Q3?

[bud]

Only problem is engine development ban for two (or tree) more years. I think FIA should allow teams to develop engines that would need less fuel, that would be "green".

Mosley was bleating on about 1.3L turbo engine a few years ago; maybe that'll be an option, only a slightly larger fuel tank would required!

Maybe some of the more technical boffins on here could work out whether 800bhp could come from such a small engine?

they were going 1000HP in the turbo 80s