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[kerc]

I somewhat agree. Maybe because NASCAR is in my face 24/7. They are at the point where they can follow a team around for a season documentary style and follow the drivers on their day to day, from garage to driver owner meetings to after hours with in depth look at a team, from driver to crew chief. Right now Jimmie Johnson is on Wind Tunnel with Dave Dispane. If any F1 driver could give as much time to these media outlets, we would have a much different opinion of them. That aint gonna happen in F1 although they are trying. NASCAR put on a better fan experience.

You and me were watching the same show. All that coverage is what sparked my initial post, plus some other shows I've caught on Speed by pure chance. I'm always amazed at how well-produced everything is, and how it is so fan-oriented,

What you're saying is all fine and dandy but it's also the biggest problem with NASCAR it's not really about the racing anymore. Nascar moved away from real racing a long time ago and has become nothing more than entertainment. It's a show not a sport anymore. NASCAR won't let any one team do better than the rest or start lapping the rest of the field because it's not entertaining, But it's also not really racing. Race control in NASCAR uses yellow flags to bunch the field together so the end of the race is more exciting, to me that is the equivalent of giving a soccer team free penalty kicks just so the end of the game is more exciting. I'm sorry but NASCAR constantly has contrived endings to their races, and that's BS. They gave up on trying to regulate different team's being creative with their aerodynamics when they were based on actual(Stock) cars and now they all run the same car bodies but with different headlight and grill stickers.

Furthermore I think since ABC bought Speed Channel and turned it into NASCAR TV it has a lot less interesting shows on.
Speed used to cover more exciting "Real" racing like sports cars,Touring cars, and Rallying (Thank god they're still covering F1) but those shows are few and far between now because Speed's coverage is centered around NASCAR and their "Entertainment Weekly" type shows about NASCAR drivers, their motorhomes, their wives, and their poodles named "fluffy" and "Goodyear" .

Valid points.

I'm not implying F1 should copy NASCAR verbatim, but rather pick some good ideas here and there and implement them. F1 still seems a bit "distant" to fans in a way. You can't deny the NASCAR market model works!

[csrracer]

It works because it has taken the racing (sport) out of the equation and has brought it down to pure entertainment. Football, Soccer , Baseball, you name it any sport would be more entertaining if the refs constantly let the team that was behind catch up so the ending would be closer and more exciting. It just wouldn't be a sport anymore.
I do think F1 should make the paddock area more accessible during a race weekend though, Nascar does a good job of that.

[tin23uk]

i gave up trying to like nascar, all those stupid camera angles and animations (gopher cam) get on my nerves. the constant on screen stats and abut 50 other logos and crap cluttering the screen make it impossible to pay attention.

when it comes to nascar i really know nada about it cos i can only stand watching 10 seconds before switching the channel. yellow flags out for everything, its just way too confusing. kinda like football and baseball, just let them get on with it for gods sakes.

and to those that said its an entertainment rather than a real sport

[IceManpjn]

...Formula 1 could learn a thing or two from them. Seriously.

I'm not talking spec cars...But man, the racing can get so tight, so close. Lots of speed, barely any BS politics, light, colors, overtaking! Dramatic camera angles, well-prepared videos and segments...They've thoroughly worked it all out and it's working.

Naysayers will diss my thoughts, but I stand by them. NASCAR knows how to run a show and a racing series.

You mean you want racing that's dumbed down. If you want racing for dummies, we've already got NASCAR. If you want NASCAR with open wheels, there's Indy. I want something more impressive, something that demands more skill and talent from drivers, requiring mastery of road and machine that few people on Earth ever achieve, and for that I need something like Formula One. Few people could hop into an F1 car and even get it around a course like Monaco at all, let alone in anywhere near a minute and fifteen seconds, but there's no shortage of folks that could hop into a NASCAR machine and take it around a gigantic oval at competitive speeds.

[Rivelution]

...Formula 1 could learn a thing or two from them. Seriously.

I'm not talking spec cars...But man, the racing can get so tight, so close. Lots of speed, barely any BS politics, light, colors, overtaking! Dramatic camera angles, well-prepared videos and segments...They've thoroughly worked it all out and it's working.

Naysayers will diss my thoughts, but I stand by them. NASCAR knows how to run a show and a racing series.

You mean you want racing that's dumbed down. If you want racing for dummies, we've already got NASCAR. If you want NASCAR with open wheels, there's Indy. I want something more impressive, something that demands more skill and talent from drivers, requiring mastery of road and machine that few people on Earth ever achieve, and for that I need something like Formula One. Few people could hop into an F1 car and even get it around a course like Monaco at all, let alone in anywedshere near a minute and fifteen seconds, but there's no shortage of folks that could hop into a NASCAR machine and take it around a gigantic oval at competitive speeds.

I'm sorry but JPM, who has won at Monaco, hasnt been running competitive speeds on giant ovals in a nascar. Just because the drivers in nascar race on ovals, doesnt mean that all of them dont have the talent to race an F1 car. Look at Jeff Gordon, he put in some respectable lap times when he drove JPM's Williams at indy in 2002. Now I may sound like I'm defending nascar, but I'm just getting tired of reading all these F1 elitist comments. Some people like F1 for the same reason you do, and some people hate it for the same reason you like it. To each his own is all I'm trying to say.