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[yamashek]

i think the thread title to be edited to reflect on the court verdict, or make a new thread...

with the likes of Wirth Research, Lola, USF1, Epsilon Euskadi, RML, Formtech, Campos and iSport coming to F1....IN MY OPINION, it really dilutes the Formula 1 image. i have to agree (IMO) that the "new" F1 should rather be called Formula GP3.

i will look forward to see a breakaway. FIA is heading no where with this.

Don't worry, sure Ferrari will win SOMETHING this season . . . . wooden spoon maybe?!

...or support for a new breakaway series

for further discussions regarding the ruling: Here.

[tin23uk]

would hate to see the sport split in two by this but at the same time look which teams are ahead in the championship so far this year. (Brawn and Red Bull) i gotta say iv had more fun watching those two teams than the rest put together.

the way Ferrari are wording things makes them sound very snobby indeed. and although there is a racing heritage behind F1 this is a sport primarily viewed by us common folk and not some cross county fox hunt for the upper class only.

[billindenver]

In my eyes, a formula one with a 40 mil cap will be GP3 and I simply will not watch it. The draw of F1 to me is that it is the absolute best engineering that our species is capable of. When you reduce it to spec racing...it loses its luster. Max is determined to have spec motors, he already has spec electronics, tires etc. Now he wants to tell teams what they can spend...but how in the world can he think he can regulate that? What if Ferrari uses part time labor in their factory for the race car. The labor is put down as 15 hours a week...they are paid $15 an hour for that time...but $800 an hour for the time they spend away from the team...which they don't...but how could you prove that? Then there is part cost on parts manufactured by sponsors, or in house...how do you know that front wing didn't really cost half a dollar? Then the FIA will put a value figure on every part in the car? How do they know how many of those parts were used? FIA officials in the plant, in the pits counting parts? Who pays for those officials? Who pays for the accountants? There are SO many ways to get past a salary cap that all of our time in here will be spent talking about lawsuits and FIA investigations and more damn max politics....and with all of that the racing will be a battle to see who can get through the most rolling chicanes without one of the cheap teams taking them out. F1 will be a shadow of its former self under these rules....a joke. If it goes through, I pray for a breakaway series and I will support it in every way possible.

[bud]

In my eyes, a formula one with a 40 mil cap will be GP3 and I simply will not watch it. The draw of F1 to me is that it is the absolute best engineering that our species is capable of. When you reduce it to spec racing...it loses its luster. Max is determined to have spec motors, he already has spec electronics, tires etc. Now he wants to tell teams what they can spend...but how in the world can he think he can regulate that? What if Ferrari uses part time labor in their factory for the race car. The labor is put down as 15 hours a week...they are paid $15 an hour for that time...but $800 an hour for the time they spend away from the team...which they don't...but how could you prove that? Then there is part cost on parts manufactured by sponsors, or in house...how do you know that front wing didn't really cost half a dollar? Then the FIA will put a value figure on every part in the car? How do they know how many of those parts were used? FIA officials in the plant, in the pits counting parts? Who pays for those officials? Who pays for the accountants? There are SO many ways to get past a salary cap that all of our time in here will be spent talking about lawsuits and FIA investigations and more damn max politics....and with all of that the racing will be a battle to see who can get through the most rolling chicanes without one of the cheap teams taking them out. F1 will be a shadow of its former self under these rules....a joke. If it goes through, I pray for a breakaway series and I will support it in every way possible.

[Gilles 27]

I agree with Ferrari on the lack of prestige of the new teams with the exception of Lola, who never get any credit for anything they win. But, for me F1 has always been about the drivers, i really couldn't give two f*cks about the constructors championship and as long as the world's top drivers are in F1, and as long as it is a massive challenge for those drivers, I will still watch

[Chris_0648]

I would have no issue at all with seeing those new teams, as long as it wasnt at the expense of current teams, and comprimised F1 as the technological pinnacle of motorsport. (I dont understand why so many teams are threatening to quit over a budget cap... )

Personally, I think Ferrari need to shut up, stop conducting all their activities in such a public fasion, and start sorting things out in a private manner. Everytime I read one of these press releases it makes me wonder more and more about how Ferrari view themselves in relation to the rest of F1. I've lost track now of what their original problem was...

[billindenver]

I agree with Ferrari on the lack of prestige of the new teams with the exception of Lola, who never get any credit for anything they win. But, for me F1 has always been about the drivers, i really couldn't give two f*cks about the constructors championship and as long as the world's top drivers are in F1, and as long as it is a massive challenge for those drivers, I will still watch

So, how would you know they are the worlds best drivers if they are all driving spec cars? What makes someone a world's best driver? Driving the worlds best cars...and winning. Change that to driving spec cars and winning and what you have is another Nascar driver. Not the worlds best.

Make racing in Formula one cheaper...by not changing the rules every other minute requiring huge money spent to produce an entire new car. I am all for that. Get the rules set in stone and let the teams use the same car for years...that will make it far cheaper...but this cap fiasco will never work. There are too many intelligent people on each team who will find a million ways around the cap. Working for free for example....while their wife works in the office for triple her salary (an no F1 expense). The ways around this cap are far to numerous for anything but full time supervision from the FIA to catch. And if full time supervision is Max's plan, then this is nothing more than making the teams spend less on the car but using that money to pay the FIA for it's supervision time. A joke.

Talking about spending caps in the same year the teams are being forced to develop world leading technology in KERS is a farce. Max spends money willy nilly and then cries about money saving measures...it is nothing more than a power struggle to that sick ba$tard.

[Gilles 27]

Arguably, it would become more obvious who the best drivers were in a spec series but that is not what I want. F1 drivers are the best because what they do is immensity difficult and the level to which they do it is unparalleled. They are attracted to F1 by the prestige and to some extent by the money. These two things need to be preserved otherwise the world's best drivers will go to other series

[scotty]

Ferrari has said it is shocked at the entries – and does not believe they are the kind of teams that will enhance F1's image.

"They couldn't almost believe their eyes, the men at women working at Ferrari, when they read the papers this morning and found the names of the teams, declaring that they have the intention to race in Formula 1 in the next year," said a statement issued on Ferrari's website.

"Looking at the list, which leaked yesterday from Paris, you can't find a very famous name, one of those one has to spend 400 Euros per person for a place on the grandstand at a GP (plus the expenses for the journey and the stay) [to see]."

The statement added: "Can a world championship with teams like them - with due respect - have the same value as today's Formula 1, where Ferrari, the big car manufacturers and teams, who created the history of this sport, compete? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to call it Formula GP3?"

What an arrogant load of bollocks.

[f1usa]

In my eyes, a formula one with a 40 mil cap will be GP3 and I simply will not watch it. The draw of F1 to me is that it is the absolute best engineering that our species is capable of. When you reduce it to spec racing...it loses its luster. Max is determined to have spec motors, he already has spec electronics, tires etc. Now he wants to tell teams what they can spend...but how in the world can he think he can regulate that? What if Ferrari uses part time labor in their factory for the race car. The labor is put down as 15 hours a week...they are paid $15 an hour for that time...but $800 an hour for the time they spend away from the team...which they don't...but how could you prove that? Then there is part cost on parts manufactured by sponsors, or in house...how do you know that front wing didn't really cost half a dollar? Then the FIA will put a value figure on every part in the car? How do they know how many of those parts were used? FIA officials in the plant, in the pits counting parts? Who pays for those officials? Who pays for the accountants? There are SO many ways to get past a salary cap that all of our time in here will be spent talking about lawsuits and FIA investigations and more damn max politics....and with all of that the racing will be a battle to see who can get through the most rolling chicanes without one of the cheap teams taking them out. F1 will be a shadow of its former self under these rules....a joke. If it goes through, I pray for a breakaway series and I will support it in every way possible.

I agree and if you don't sign up by May 29, why race in F1 after May 29.

[Gert]

Actually f1 has less prestige etc right now than WWF. FFS

[Ste L]

Ferrari has said it is shocked at the entries – and does not believe they are the kind of teams that will enhance F1's image.

"They couldn't almost believe their eyes, the men at women working at Ferrari, when they read the papers this morning and found the names of the teams, declaring that they have the intention to race in Formula 1 in the next year," said a statement issued on Ferrari's website.

"Looking at the list, which leaked yesterday from Paris, you can't find a very famous name, one of those one has to spend 400 Euros per person for a place on the grandstand at a GP (plus the expenses for the journey and the stay) [to see]."

The statement added: "Can a world championship with teams like them - with due respect - have the same value as today's Formula 1, where Ferrari, the big car manufacturers and teams, who created the history of this sport, compete? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to call it Formula GP3?"

What an arrogant load of bollocks.

my thought's exactly, they rules are not being changed in thier favour, so last out at new entries

[texasmr2]

The allure which made F1 so great is gradually being lost .

[Jensonb]

Have you guys seen what Ferrari put on their website?

The arrogance of The Scuderia knows no bounds.

[welshie]

Have you guys seen what Ferrari put on their website?

The arrogance of The Scuderia knows no bounds.

link??