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[internos2k]

I'm sorry but aren't team orders BANNED Ron?
I think Ron's been smoking something with Alonso.

Yes they are. I'll try to explane it but don't know if i can because of my bad english. Team orders are banned but just during the race. It has been taken this decision after the GP in Austria on 2002 to avoid that a driver (the second of a team) lets deliberately overtake his team mate, after the episode Barrichello-Schumacher. During qualifing, is clear that a team can take decisions about strategies, fuelling, time to take the track again...

[Forza]

I would think MS had a healthy heaping of free will and influence.
KR came to drive for Ferrari, Brawn is negotiating with Ferrari to come back.
What illegal devices are you talking about? If this was a reference to the floor - that had passed inspection and wasn't ruled illegal before the regs were tweaked/clarified.
Your screen name is a joke - illusionary boy might be more fitting

Ah the floor that McLaren informed the FIA about after receiving stolen documents...

[internos2k]

Fernando Alonso will start from pole for tomorrow's Hungarian Grand Prix after being cleared of any wrongdoing during qualifying.

[Fact Man]

FA is cleared of any wrong doing by the stewards.

Darwin-dali, I am trying to use your way of thinking (or lack of it). Apparently, if you make up sh*t like the ferrai fans do, they'll believe you. Illusion is the game of life, you play it to beat the other. Read Forza's reply to understand what I said.

Now, about the Massa incident, I guess Ferrari should file a complaint with the FIA against McLaren. I mean think about it, Massa runs out of fuel during qualifications. It's impossible for Ferrari to make a mistake, therefore, it has to be McLaren. Maybe they have a spy among the Ferrari crew or they used some "stolen technology" to distract them

[McLaren Fan]

I was just thinking about the incident again this evening. It's in McLaren's interests to deny that Alonso did anything wrong. If it transpired that he did he would be sent back to 11th on the grid. This would McLaren would suffer badly in this race, especially saying as they have a chance of doing real damage to Ferrari. Also, the points cushion is going to be critical for the Ferrari is the better car around the high speed tracks.

[internos2k]

I'm happy for the decision. I never liked overtaking outside the track. Ferrari must do a great and long work to be competitive on the slower tracks, because now is too slow (almost 1sec in montecarlo and here too), and this is just because of Ferrari team's fault.

[internos2k]

No! Wait. It's unbelievable. Alonso will start sixth on the grid! Let me say this is a political decision, there is no other explanation.

[peakeynumber2]

Ron Dennis says Alonso was being counted down by his Engineer while he was waiting and thus blocking Hamilton; also that Hamilton loused up his sequence of his calls into the pits. Hmmm, that is a very diplomatic comment but one which Ron's and Hamilton's body language after the event contradicts. We will have to face it now that Alonso has been outclassed by Hamilton and so will do anything within the law to even up the odds. This should make good racing at least, and we now have a bad guy to boo at Silverstone!

[7UpJordan]

No! Wait. It's unbelievable. Alonso will start sixth on the grid! Let me say this is a political decision, there is no other explanation.

Where'd you find that???

[internos2k]

On a italian website
http://www.gazzetta.it/index.shtml
It's sure

[McLaren Fan]

No! Wait. It's unbelievable. Alonso will start sixth on the grid! Let me say this is a political decision, there is no other explanation.

Where'd you find that???

I'm just reading it myself here:

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=40283

[7UpJordan]

Confirmed!! Indeed!! Hahahaha ooops!! Now what's Ron going to say about that?

And that puts Rosberg up to 4th.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 929333.stm

[internos2k]

And McLaren won't collect points on this race. Believe me, i'm a Ferrari fan but i find disgusting these decisions because are just political. Last time, Hamilton could make his last attempt for last, and McLaren is used to make it one time for each driver. Hamilton lost the time to go back to the pit and for me, by the sporting point of view, this explanation was enough...

[McLaren Fan]

It says they reviewed the radio transmissions - something I thought was suss - and McLaren's attempts to deny it seem to have landed them in hot water.

Nice try Ron. It wasn't your fault but it's really backfired now. No doubt it was helped by politicians getting involved. They'll be able to say, "You see, the FIA do punish crime when it's committed". If McLaren did try to cover up Alonso's actions, which is what seemed to have happened, a punishment was certainly warrented, but I think this is a little over the top.

I was really looking forward to the Grand Prix, now it's going to be s***. A disaster for the team given the high speed tracks coming up. I feel this could be a pivotal momement in the championship...

[internos2k]

I'm asking to myself the why. The 5 position back are one problem but no points fo a race in the constructor's championship are a heavy punishment, as if something of really wrong as been made by the team to cover up the truth...