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[Robert182]

Mostly down to cooling. The car's definitely quick, but it's not streets ahead like it was in testing, and it's not the fastest everywhere. But Jenson is driving at the top of his considerable game

Chuffin hell, you could have put Gazza in that car and he would got podium, sod all to do with Button, its the car that's lightening fast. Look at him the last 2 seasons in a crap car, back of the grid and rarely in the points

Podiums and Wins are different things.

If you can't understand why 2007 and 2008 are irrelevant I'm not wasting ym time trying to explain it, just read this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 022027.stm

Button is Good and he did a great job last race But he's still not Lewis status in my eyes just yet.

He'll have to do a Monaco, Silverstone or Hockenheim to get that.

He's not a lewis and the article by mark Hughes that Jensnob quoted seems to agree.

"However, give him a car in which the rear end darts nervously around under braking or which does not turn in as decisively as he needs, and he struggles. He is, in other words, fantastic in a good car, ordinary in a bad one.

He is not a swashbuckling, attacking driver in the way that Lewis Hamilton, for example, is. Hamilton can get more out of a mediocre car, as he is proving at the moment, but put each of them in a good one and they would be extremely closely matched. " (Mark Hughes)

Its what ive always said about Jenson, he's very good when everything suits but he cant drive around problems.

coudnt agree more

[Jensonb]

Its what ive always said about Jenson, he's very good when everything suits but he cant drive around problems.

That's not the right way to put it and it's not exactly what Mark meant. Jenson's driving style is very sensitive to poor cars. If the car is doing things poorly, Jenson's style is compromised because he has to start moving the wheel around and feeding the power less smoothly than he wants to. Since smoothness is where his natural speed comes from, he needs a stable and predictable car to show his talent. He does alright in ordinary cars, is as good as or better than anyone in good cars and struggles in poor cars (Until it rains).

[texasmr2]

Aren't we seeing just the opposite of last year when Lewis was in the best car and was winning and Jens was in a crappy car and failing miserabley? Lewis is a great driver no doubt but now we are finally seeing that Jenson is one aswell. I'm really really enjoying the mixup of power this season and lets not forget about RedBull they could win more races aswell but only time will tell.

[bud]

Its what ive always said about Jenson, he's very good when everything suits but he cant drive around problems.

That's not the right way to put it and it's not exactly what Mark meant. Jenson's driving style is very sensitive to poor cars. If the car is doing things poorly, Jenson's style is compromised because he has to start moving the wheel around and feeding the power less smoothly than he wants to. Since smoothness is where his natural speed comes from, he needs a stable and predictable car to show his talent. He does alright in ordinary cars, is as good as or better than anyone in good cars and struggles in poor cars (Until it rains).

what you just described is what racechick was saying, does good in a good car but a bad car not so good because his style is compromised.

[Gaz]

Its what ive always said about Jenson, he's very good when everything suits but he cant drive around problems.

That's not the right way to put it and it's not exactly what Mark meant. Jenson's driving style is very sensitive to poor cars. If the car is doing things poorly, Jenson's style is compromised because he has to start moving the wheel around and feeding the power less smoothly than he wants to. Since smoothness is where his natural speed comes from, he needs a stable and predictable car to show his talent. He does alright in ordinary cars, is as good as or better than anyone in good cars and struggles in poor cars (Until it rains).

what you just described is what racechick was saying, does good in a good car but a bad car not so good because his style is compromised.

Yeh if we put Jenson in the MP4-24 he would be doing worse than Lewis i'd say

[Frosty]

Yeh if we put Jenson in the MP4-24 he would be doing worse than Lewis i'd say

But better than HK?

[Denthúl]

On the other hand, imagine putting Lewis in a car that didn't respond well to the way he applies throttle or the way he likes to have the back end sliding out.

[EwanM]

On the other hand, imagine putting Lewis in a car that didn't respond well to the way he applies throttle or the way he likes to have the back end sliding out.

OH BUT HE'D BE ABLE TO DRIVE AROUND IT BECAUSE HE IS LEWIS HAMILTON

[bud]

On the other hand, imagine putting Lewis in a car that didn't respond well to the way he applies throttle or the way he likes to have the back end sliding out.

OH BUT HE'D BE ABLE TO DRIVE AROUND IT BECAUSE HE IS LEWIS HAMILTON

Exactly

[EwanM]

On the other hand, imagine putting Lewis in a car that didn't respond well to the way he applies throttle or the way he likes to have the back end sliding out.

OH BUT HE'D BE ABLE TO DRIVE AROUND IT BECAUSE HE IS LEWIS HAMILTON

Exactly

[Gaz]

On the other hand, imagine putting Lewis in a car that didn't respond well to the way he applies throttle or the way he likes to have the back end sliding out.

OH BUT HE'D BE ABLE TO DRIVE AROUND IT BECAUSE HE IS LEWIS HAMILTON

Yeh your correct Allow me to demonstrate

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[EwanM]

Why are 3 of the 4 on your list Mclaren Drivers?

[Denthúl]

On the other hand, imagine putting Lewis in a car that didn't respond well to the way he applies throttle or the way he likes to have the back end sliding out.

OH BUT HE'D BE ABLE TO DRIVE AROUND IT BECAUSE HE IS LEWIS HAMILTON

Yeh your correct Allow me to demonstrate

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I'd love to see them in the same team. But a neutral team, not one that would be biased towards one or the other.

[Gaz]

Why are 3 of the 4 on your list Mclaren Drivers?

i would of thought that was obvious?

[MAD MAX]

Why are 3 of the 4 on your list Mclaren Drivers?

i would of thought that was obvious?

Exactly