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[darwin dali]

Ouch!

It is suggested that the McLaren team, whose drivers Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso currently lead the World Championship, minimally face race bans.

[bud]

Ouch!

It is suggested that the McLaren team, whose drivers Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso currently lead the World Championship, minimally face race bans.

and you as an F1 fan would support such measures? typical chicken duckling Fia ferrari darwin dali for ya! cant find a better chicken sucker for ferraris cause in the world than darwin daili

[deMuRe]

Ever read any of Alan Henry's books?

a book? ahh, good, then we can expect the inside line in...oooh...say two and a half years time?

Well I was going to say it's going to be a couple of years until the truth of this affair comes out, the mainstream publications are too sanitised for any journalist to say anything meaningful.

[sidepodcast]

Well I was going to say it's going to be a couple of years until the truth of this affair comes out, the mainstream publications are too sanitised for any journalist to say anything meaningful.

which is why you need a forum such as this, and people such as Fact Man, is it not?

[darwin dali]

and DD youre a fool! the copy store story is utter BS the police FOUND 2 ROM discs not PAPERS!

this theory isnt too far fetched at all! s*** like this always surrounds Ferrari when their main competitor is beating them.

Daily Mail, July 14th:
Clearly, the FIA want clarification as to when Coughlan took receipt of the Ferrari material that was found during a search of his home after the scandal broke when his wife, Judy, was seen making an injudicious visit to a local photocopying business.

Nigel Tozzi QC, for Ferrari, told Mr Justice Briggs the couple had "behaved disgracefully in taking these documents they knew they were not entitled to and copying them".

He said the Italian manufacturer would have been "blissfully ignorant" of the alleged theft "but for a tip-off".

It was following the tip-off that Ferrari went to the High Court on July 2 and won an order to search the Coughlans' home in Surrey, near McLaren's Woking base.

Tozzi told the judge some 780 pages had been recovered along with two computer discs on which the documents had been copied. The judge agreed the search had been 'justified' and ordered the Coughlans to pay the costs of the court application and the search.

[deMuRe]

Well I was going to say it's going to be a couple of years until the truth of this affair comes out, the mainstream publications are too sanitised for any journalist to say anything meaningful.

which is why you need a forum such as this, and people such as Fact Man, is it not?

I never said you didn't need a forum to express thoughts...

[Alien_SAP_Fiend]

Some food for thought

BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsp ... 896888.stm

"It is down to Mike Coughlan. It boils down to whether he says to the FIA: 'This was my idea, I was looking for employment elsewhere and I was going to use this detail for the company I was going to go to and not McLaren'."

No it's not. Fry already stated that he wasn't offered the data

Autosport http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60681

Fry met with Stepney and McLaren chief designer Mike Coughlan earlier this year to discuss future job opportunities.
And with information belonging to Ferrari allegedly being subsequently found at Coughlan's house, Honda issued a statement confirming that such confidential data had not been offered to them.

Not to mention the fact the Coughlan allegedly showed the documents to other Mclaren employees

Autosport http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60794

Coughlan confirms in his affidavit that he had Ferrari's technical drawings and internal documentation in his possession.
Coughlan also allegedly reveals that he showed these documents to several people at McLaren - and not just to managing director Jonathan Neale, as had previously been known.

So that story about Coughlan wanting the information in order to get a job at Honda is hardly true, is it?

Mclaren are going to get nailed because they kept quiet about this and this season is going to SUCK because, if nothing happens to Mclaren, Ferrari fans can say they are in the pocket of the FIA and may have used the information (how about that letter they wrote to the FIA about the flexible floor and the sudden improvement in the Maccas after Melbourne). And if Mclaren DO get DQed for the rest of the season (the most likely scenario) it will be a very hollow Ferrari victory indeed.

Coughlan and Stepney have a lot to answer for, as does Mclaren.

[Selcouth_Feline]

Mclaren are going to get nailed because they kept quiet about this and this season is going to SUCK because, if nothing happens to Mclaren,

But noone on the outside knows for sure who knew what. Let's assume that he didn't show the documents to anyone - how are McLaren going to get nailed for keeping quiet about something they didn't know about?!

[Alien_SAP_Fiend]

Let's assume that he didn't show the documents to anyone

Then why did he have the documents? Honda didn't know about them...

[bud]

so basically alastair youre believing Ferrari coughlan Honda and not McLaren? who says whos the liar?

[darwin dali]

so basically alastair youre believing Ferrari coughlan Honda and not McLaren? who says whos the liar?

I know, I know, it's all a big old rear-wing conspiracy against McLaren

[bud]

Ferrari's the one making the claims here. not McLaren

[Selcouth_Feline]

Let's assume that he didn't show the documents to anyone

Then why did he have the documents? Honda didn't know about them...

Because Ferrari were quicker than them and he wanted to know why? Perhaps he could have then come up with some uber-cool feature to attach to the McLaren, inspired by stuff in the Ferrari documentation, that would then make him an aero-god in the eyes of all at McLaren?!

I'm not saying that was his rationale behind having the documents, but he may not have shown them to anyone for any number of reasons.

[Alien_SAP_Fiend]

Let's assume that he didn't show the documents to anyone

Then why did he have the documents? Honda didn't know about them...

Because Ferrari were quicker than them and he wanted to know why? Perhaps he could have then come up with some uber-cool feature to attach to the McLaren, inspired by stuff in the Ferrari documentation, that would then make him an aero-god in the eyes of all at McLaren?!

Nope. He and Stepney had meetings with Nick Fry about job opportunities. He wanted out.

And if he did come up with something to make the Macca faster, then Macca are still in the Dwang.