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[EwanM]

Schumacher didn't cheat in 03

[racechick]

Schumacher didn't cheat in 03

I didnt mention '03

[Denthúl]

As a Ferrari tifosa I would prefer Vettel over all those drivers. Then after that Alonso, Kubica, Massa and KImi. I wouldn't want Lewis Hamilton at Ferrari.

By the way, Ferrari screwed up the first 3 races of 2003. Then in the 4th race at San Marino Imola eventually Michael Schumacher just beats McLaren's Kimi Raikkonen. SO after a very bad start, Ferrari still won both drivers and constructors championships in 2003. Looked like Ferrari were in turmoil then as well but turned it around. They will do it again in 2009, or at least be competitive and then win titles again in 2010. Also note that in 2005 Ferrari also had a miserable season. Then they turned it around in 2006 and almost won both titles but ended up winning everything in 2007. All great teams have their ups and downs. All great teams succeed in the end. Ferrari is the type of team so they will succeed. Fact.

Let's face it there though. Raikkonen and Massa are no way near the class of Schumacher.

Very true. Having said that, though, on a good day Raikkonen was the faster man. Schumacher was smarter and more consistent, and not exactly slow, mind you.

[EwanM]

Schumacher didn't cheat in 03

I didnt mention '03

But that is what my post was in referent to.

[EwanM]

As a Ferrari tifosa I would prefer Vettel over all those drivers. Then after that Alonso, Kubica, Massa and KImi. I wouldn't want Lewis Hamilton at Ferrari.

By the way, Ferrari screwed up the first 3 races of 2003. Then in the 4th race at San Marino Imola eventually Michael Schumacher just beats McLaren's Kimi Raikkonen. SO after a very bad start, Ferrari still won both drivers and constructors championships in 2003. Looked like Ferrari were in turmoil then as well but turned it around. They will do it again in 2009, or at least be competitive and then win titles again in 2010. Also note that in 2005 Ferrari also had a miserable season. Then they turned it around in 2006 and almost won both titles but ended up winning everything in 2007. All great teams have their ups and downs. All great teams succeed in the end. Ferrari is the type of team so they will succeed. Fact.

Let's face it there though. Raikkonen and Massa are no way near the class of Schumacher.

Very true. Having said that, though, on a good day Raikkonen was the faster man. Schumacher was smarter and more consistent, and not exactly slow, mind you.

When Raikkonen could be bothered of course lol.

[racechick]

Schumacher didn't cheat in 03

I didnt mention '03

But that is what my post was in referent to.

Once a cheat always a cheat. Isnt that how it goes??

[Denthúl]

As a Ferrari tifosa I would prefer Vettel over all those drivers. Then after that Alonso, Kubica, Massa and KImi. I wouldn't want Lewis Hamilton at Ferrari.

By the way, Ferrari screwed up the first 3 races of 2003. Then in the 4th race at San Marino Imola eventually Michael Schumacher just beats McLaren's Kimi Raikkonen. SO after a very bad start, Ferrari still won both drivers and constructors championships in 2003. Looked like Ferrari were in turmoil then as well but turned it around. They will do it again in 2009, or at least be competitive and then win titles again in 2010. Also note that in 2005 Ferrari also had a miserable season. Then they turned it around in 2006 and almost won both titles but ended up winning everything in 2007. All great teams have their ups and downs. All great teams succeed in the end. Ferrari is the type of team so they will succeed. Fact.

Let's face it there though. Raikkonen and Massa are no way near the class of Schumacher.

Very true. Having said that, though, on a good day Raikkonen was the faster man. Schumacher was smarter and more consistent, and not exactly slow, mind you.

When Raikkonen could be bothered of course lol.

If Ferrari promised to buy him the Magnum factory, think what he'd achieve.

I still maintain that Raikkonen is the fastest of the current F1 drivers.

Schumacher didn't cheat in 03

I didnt mention '03

But that is what my post was in referent to.

Once a cheat always a cheat. Isnt that how it goes??

Why was it necessary to bring cheating in to this in the first place?

[EwanM]

As a Ferrari tifosa I would prefer Vettel over all those drivers. Then after that Alonso, Kubica, Massa and KImi. I wouldn't want Lewis Hamilton at Ferrari.

By the way, Ferrari screwed up the first 3 races of 2003. Then in the 4th race at San Marino Imola eventually Michael Schumacher just beats McLaren's Kimi Raikkonen. SO after a very bad start, Ferrari still won both drivers and constructors championships in 2003. Looked like Ferrari were in turmoil then as well but turned it around. They will do it again in 2009, or at least be competitive and then win titles again in 2010. Also note that in 2005 Ferrari also had a miserable season. Then they turned it around in 2006 and almost won both titles but ended up winning everything in 2007. All great teams have their ups and downs. All great teams succeed in the end. Ferrari is the type of team so they will succeed. Fact.

Let's face it there though. Raikkonen and Massa are no way near the class of Schumacher.

Very true. Having said that, though, on a good day Raikkonen was the faster man. Schumacher was smarter and more consistent, and not exactly slow, mind you.

When Raikkonen could be bothered of course lol.

If Ferrari promised to buy him the Magnum factory, think what he'd achieve.

I still maintain that Raikkonen is the fastest of the current F1 drivers.

Schumacher didn't cheat in 03

I didnt mention '03

But that is what my post was in referent to.

Once a cheat always a cheat. Isnt that how it goes??

Why was it necessary to bring cheating in to this in the first place?

Its the typical argument. Lewis and his fans are backed into the corner so they'll play either the Schumacher or Alonso card.

And yes I do feel Raikkonen has the outright pace of everyone. However as has been said he just never tried to improve the other aspects of his driving.

[racechick]

As a Ferrari tifosa I would prefer Vettel over all those drivers. Then after that Alonso, Kubica, Massa and KImi. I wouldn't want Lewis Hamilton at Ferrari.

By the way, Ferrari screwed up the first 3 races of 2003. Then in the 4th race at San Marino Imola eventually Michael Schumacher just beats McLaren's Kimi Raikkonen. SO after a very bad start, Ferrari still won both drivers and constructors championships in 2003. Looked like Ferrari were in turmoil then as well but turned it around. They will do it again in 2009, or at least be competitive and then win titles again in 2010. Also note that in 2005 Ferrari also had a miserable season. Then they turned it around in 2006 and almost won both titles but ended up winning everything in 2007. All great teams have their ups and downs. All great teams succeed in the end. Ferrari is the type of team so they will succeed. Fact.

Let's face it there though. Raikkonen and Massa are no way near the class of Schumacher.

Very true. Having said that, though, on a good day Raikkonen was the faster man. Schumacher was smarter and more consistent, and not exactly slow, mind you.

When Raikkonen could be bothered of course lol.

If Ferrari promised to buy him the Magnum factory, think what he'd achieve.

I still maintain that Raikkonen is the fastest of the current F1 drivers.

Schumacher didn't cheat in 03

I didnt mention '03

But that is what my post was in referent to.

Once a cheat always a cheat. Isnt that how it goes??

Why was it necessary to bring cheating in to this in the first place?

Its the typical argument. Lewis and his fans are backed into the corner so they'll play either the Schumacher or Alonso card.

Why was it neccessary to bring in cheating?
I think it started when Ewman said this

"No wonder such a low approval rate for Hamilton. They certainly know a cheat when they see one! "

I just pointed out that the guy he went on to praise was a past master at it.

[EwanM]

That could mean 2 things. They want a cheat or they don't want THE Cheat and his entourage.

[Denthúl]

As a Ferrari tifosa I would prefer Vettel over all those drivers. Then after that Alonso, Kubica, Massa and KImi. I wouldn't want Lewis Hamilton at Ferrari.

By the way, Ferrari screwed up the first 3 races of 2003. Then in the 4th race at San Marino Imola eventually Michael Schumacher just beats McLaren's Kimi Raikkonen. SO after a very bad start, Ferrari still won both drivers and constructors championships in 2003. Looked like Ferrari were in turmoil then as well but turned it around. They will do it again in 2009, or at least be competitive and then win titles again in 2010. Also note that in 2005 Ferrari also had a miserable season. Then they turned it around in 2006 and almost won both titles but ended up winning everything in 2007. All great teams have their ups and downs. All great teams succeed in the end. Ferrari is the type of team so they will succeed. Fact.

Let's face it there though. Raikkonen and Massa are no way near the class of Schumacher.

Very true. Having said that, though, on a good day Raikkonen was the faster man. Schumacher was smarter and more consistent, and not exactly slow, mind you.

When Raikkonen could be bothered of course lol.

If Ferrari promised to buy him the Magnum factory, think what he'd achieve.

I still maintain that Raikkonen is the fastest of the current F1 drivers.

Schumacher didn't cheat in 03

I didnt mention '03

But that is what my post was in referent to.

Once a cheat always a cheat. Isnt that how it goes??

Why was it necessary to bring cheating in to this in the first place?

Its the typical argument. Lewis and his fans are backed into the corner so they'll play either the Schumacher or Alonso card.

Why was it neccessary to bring in cheating?
I think it started when Ewman said this

"No wonder such a low approval rate for Hamilton. They certainly know a cheat when they see one! "

I just pointed out that the guy he went on to praise was a past master at it.

Cheat or not, it's impossible to deny Michael Schumacher's class. The cheating argument is irrelevant to the comment made.

[racechick]

As a Ferrari tifosa I would prefer Vettel over all those drivers. Then after that Alonso, Kubica, Massa and KImi. I wouldn't want Lewis Hamilton at Ferrari.

By the way, Ferrari screwed up the first 3 races of 2003. Then in the 4th race at San Marino Imola eventually Michael Schumacher just beats McLaren's Kimi Raikkonen. SO after a very bad start, Ferrari still won both drivers and constructors championships in 2003. Looked like Ferrari were in turmoil then as well but turned it around. They will do it again in 2009, or at least be competitive and then win titles again in 2010. Also note that in 2005 Ferrari also had a miserable season. Then they turned it around in 2006 and almost won both titles but ended up winning everything in 2007. All great teams have their ups and downs. All great teams succeed in the end. Ferrari is the type of team so they will succeed. Fact.

Let's face it there though. Raikkonen and Massa are no way near the class of Schumacher.

Very true. Having said that, though, on a good day Raikkonen was the faster man. Schumacher was smarter and more consistent, and not exactly slow, mind you.

When Raikkonen could be bothered of course lol.

If Ferrari promised to buy him the Magnum factory, think what he'd achieve.

I still maintain that Raikkonen is the fastest of the current F1 drivers.

Schumacher didn't cheat in 03

I didnt mention '03

But that is what my post was in referent to.

Once a cheat always a cheat. Isnt that how it goes??

Why was it necessary to bring cheating in to this in the first place?

Its the typical argument. Lewis and his fans are backed into the corner so they'll play either the Schumacher or Alonso card.

Why was it neccessary to bring in cheating?
I think it started when Ewman said this

"No wonder such a low approval rate for Hamilton. They certainly know a cheat when they see one! "

I just pointed out that the guy he went on to praise was a past master at it.

Cheat or not, it's impossible to deny Michael Schumacher's class. The cheating argument is irrelevant to the comment made.

Suddennly its "cheat or not it's impossible to deny class"???I see. So the label cheating may only be applied to a one time world champion?? A McLaren driver? A guy whose father manages him? A guy you dislike? If you cheat on multiple occassions but win 7 world championships then its ok??

[EwanM]

Schumacher > Hamilton. IT is as simple as that.

[Denthúl]

As a Ferrari tifosa I would prefer Vettel over all those drivers. Then after that Alonso, Kubica, Massa and KImi. I wouldn't want Lewis Hamilton at Ferrari.

By the way, Ferrari screwed up the first 3 races of 2003. Then in the 4th race at San Marino Imola eventually Michael Schumacher just beats McLaren's Kimi Raikkonen. SO after a very bad start, Ferrari still won both drivers and constructors championships in 2003. Looked like Ferrari were in turmoil then as well but turned it around. They will do it again in 2009, or at least be competitive and then win titles again in 2010. Also note that in 2005 Ferrari also had a miserable season. Then they turned it around in 2006 and almost won both titles but ended up winning everything in 2007. All great teams have their ups and downs. All great teams succeed in the end. Ferrari is the type of team so they will succeed. Fact.

Let's face it there though. Raikkonen and Massa are no way near the class of Schumacher.

Very true. Having said that, though, on a good day Raikkonen was the faster man. Schumacher was smarter and more consistent, and not exactly slow, mind you.

When Raikkonen could be bothered of course lol.

If Ferrari promised to buy him the Magnum factory, think what he'd achieve.

I still maintain that Raikkonen is the fastest of the current F1 drivers.

Schumacher didn't cheat in 03

I didnt mention '03

But that is what my post was in referent to.

Once a cheat always a cheat. Isnt that how it goes??

Why was it necessary to bring cheating in to this in the first place?

Its the typical argument. Lewis and his fans are backed into the corner so they'll play either the Schumacher or Alonso card.

Why was it neccessary to bring in cheating?
I think it started when Ewman said this

"No wonder such a low approval rate for Hamilton. They certainly know a cheat when they see one! "

I just pointed out that the guy he went on to praise was a past master at it.

Cheat or not, it's impossible to deny Michael Schumacher's class. The cheating argument is irrelevant to the comment made.

Suddennly its "cheat or not it's impossible to deny class"???I see. So the label cheating may only be applied to a one time world champion?? A McLaren driver? A guy whose father manages him? A guy you dislike? If you cheat on multiple occassions but win 7 world championships then its ok??

Erm. What?

I did not deny the fact that he cheated, I merely stated that regardless of whether or not he was a cheater, he was still a great driver. Stop just assuming everyone is so anti-Lewis. Read and think about what people post.

[Gaz]

Schumacher > Hamilton. IT is as simple as that.

Senna > Schumacher.

Never did senna do anything which was abit dodgy without a reason.

Schumacher just cheated again and again and again to win.

Lewis either lied or was convinced to lie to win but his on track antiques have been pretty honest racing.