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[csrracer]

Hamilton is not the team player that you make him out to be. And once again your posts are attempts to absolve Hamilton of all blame. If I was in charge of McLaren, I'd definitely consider it. I'd certainly sit him on the sidelines for a race or two and let de la Rosa take his place.

You are 100% right they should take more drastic measures if Hamilton was to blame. Of course Mclaren management knows who is it to blame and they have already taken care of it.

[Denthúl]

Hamilton is not the team player that you make him out to be. And once again your posts are attempts to absolve Hamilton of all blame. If I was in charge of McLaren, I'd definitely consider it. I'd certainly sit him on the sidelines for a race or two and let de la Rosa take his place.

You are 100% right they should take more drastic measures if Hamilton was to blame. Of course Mclaren management knows who is it to blame and they have already taken care of it.

Or, more feasibly, there is far more to it than meets the eye. I do not subscribe to the claims that it was all Dave Ryan, and with good reason.

[csrracer]

Hamilton had to wait 4 days for his PR people to come up with a good speech for him!

He needs to fire them then, because it wasn't very good. He didn't actually apologise and claimed he was misled (Which makes no logical sense given the fact that he was the one who performed the disputed action, namely letting Trulli past).

It was essentially the equivalent of the schoolboy crying to the headteacher "Please don't punish me sir...I didn't mean no harm sir...An older boy told me to do it sir".

Pitiful. Absolutely pathetic.

He did apologise

No, he said he was sorry, then passed the buck. He accepted no liability, that is not an apology.

That makes no sense whatsoever "Sorry" is an apology and yes Hamilton was misled. He was told by the Team to let Trulli by, but I took that as Mclaren "misled" him in what to say in front of the stewards.

[csrracer]

Hamilton is not the team player that you make him out to be. And once again your posts are attempts to absolve Hamilton of all blame. If I was in charge of McLaren, I'd definitely consider it. I'd certainly sit him on the sidelines for a race or two and let de la Rosa take his place.

You are 100% right they should take more drastic measures if Hamilton was to blame. Of course Mclaren management knows who is it to blame and they have already taken care of it.

Or, more feasibly, there is far more to it than meets the eye. I do not subscribe to the claims that it was all Dave Ryan, and with good reason.

And that reason would be?

[Denthúl]

Hamilton is not the team player that you make him out to be. And once again your posts are attempts to absolve Hamilton of all blame. If I was in charge of McLaren, I'd definitely consider it. I'd certainly sit him on the sidelines for a race or two and let de la Rosa take his place.

You are 100% right they should take more drastic measures if Hamilton was to blame. Of course Mclaren management knows who is it to blame and they have already taken care of it.

Or, more feasibly, there is far more to it than meets the eye. I do not subscribe to the claims that it was all Dave Ryan, and with good reason.

And that reason would be?

The fact that interviews with other team-members (notably Martin Whitmarsh) were perfect in hiding the fact that the team told Lewis to let Trulli past. It's feasible that it was concocted by more than just Ryan and Lewis, although there is no evidence to prove it.

[csrracer]

Hamilton is not the team player that you make him out to be. And once again your posts are attempts to absolve Hamilton of all blame. If I was in charge of McLaren, I'd definitely consider it. I'd certainly sit him on the sidelines for a race or two and let de la Rosa take his place.

You are 100% right they should take more drastic measures if Hamilton was to blame. Of course Mclaren management knows who is it to blame and they have already taken care of it.

Or, more feasibly, there is far more to it than meets the eye. I do not subscribe to the claims that it was all Dave Ryan, and with good reason.

And that reason would be?

The fact that interviews with other team-members (notably Martin Whitmarsh) were perfect in hiding the fact that the team told Lewis to let Trulli past. It's feasible that it was concocted by more than just Ryan and Lewis, although there is no evidence to prove it.

I agree that it was concocted by more than Ryan, but I also believe that Mclaren's management team is solely to blame.

[Denthúl]

Hamilton is not the team player that you make him out to be. And once again your posts are attempts to absolve Hamilton of all blame. If I was in charge of McLaren, I'd definitely consider it. I'd certainly sit him on the sidelines for a race or two and let de la Rosa take his place.

You are 100% right they should take more drastic measures if Hamilton was to blame. Of course Mclaren management knows who is it to blame and they have already taken care of it.

Or, more feasibly, there is far more to it than meets the eye. I do not subscribe to the claims that it was all Dave Ryan, and with good reason.

And that reason would be?

The fact that interviews with other team-members (notably Martin Whitmarsh) were perfect in hiding the fact that the team told Lewis to let Trulli past. It's feasible that it was concocted by more than just Ryan and Lewis, although there is no evidence to prove it.

I agree that it was concocted by more than Ryan, but I also believe that Mclaren's management team is solely to blame.

Then, I have to say, I think your view is somewhat deluded, because McLaren's management is not solely to blame for this. At the most, they're 50% responsible.

[darwin dali]

Hamilton is not the team player that you make him out to be. And once again your posts are attempts to absolve Hamilton of all blame. If I was in charge of McLaren, I'd definitely consider it. I'd certainly sit him on the sidelines for a race or two and let de la Rosa take his place.

You are 100% right they should take more drastic measures if Hamilton was to blame. Of course Mclaren management knows who is it to blame and they have already taken care of it.

Or, more feasibly, there is far more to it than meets the eye. I do not subscribe to the claims that it was all Dave Ryan, and with good reason.

And that reason would be?

The fact that interviews with other team-members (notably Martin Whitmarsh) were perfect in hiding the fact that the team told Lewis to let Trulli past. It's feasible that it was concocted by more than just Ryan and Lewis, although there is no evidence to prove it.

Yet!


F1live: Other British newspapers, including the Daily Mail, are raising questions about McLaren Group Chairman Ron Dennis' involvement in the saga, as current Team Principal Martin Whitmarsh weighs up his own future in charge of the team.

It is suggested that Dennis may have spoken to the sacked Dave Ryan between the Australian stewards meeting and the one in Malaysia, and also that he ‘was strongly opposed’ to Hamilton's contrite apology in front of the world's media at Sepang.

The implication is that the 61-year-old, unlike Whitmarsh who was holidaying between the two races, could join Ryan in becoming a 'sacrificial lamb', leaving Whitmarsh and Hamilton able to continue as before.

"We really cannot comment on these things because we're now into a court situation," a spokesman said.

Both Hamilton and his father/manager attended a meeting at McLaren's Woking base on Tuesday.

[Blue Shadow]

Hamilton lied-there is no foundation for a discussion.
It´s Lewis fault and he has to be above those things.
He has to accept a possible penalty and he hasn't the right to pronounce McLaren guilty,because it was himself who made the mistake.
Nobody assaulted him with a gun to lie
If Hamilton is a liar,then he should show balls and do it better later.

[darwin dali]

If Hamilton is a liar,then he should show balls and do it better later.

Do what better? Lie?

[Blue Shadow]

If Hamilton is a liar,then he should show balls and do it better later.

Do what better? Lie?

Either he should insure that nobody can catch him lieing or he shows that he is a fair driver.

[Jensonb]

That makes no sense whatsoever "Sorry" is an apology and yes Hamilton was misled. He was told by the Team to let Trulli by, but I took that as Mclaren "misled" him in what to say in front of the stewards.

If that makes no sense to you then you have no concept of what an apology is. "Sorry" is a word often used to express an apology. AN apology is the acceptance that one has done wrong and taking responsibility for it. By passing the buck to Dave, Hamilton failed to apologise.

And this "misled into lying" thing is tosh. How is one misled into lying? He knew it was a lie, if he is aged beyond infancy he knows lying is bad...In what way did they mislead him? The only logical conclusion to that is that they were saying they'd get away with it. And that is hardly redemption for Hamilton. It merely condemns him further.

It would also explain why it is he is so vague as to what the team did to compel him to lie against his apparently untarnished, pure as snow mind's better judgment.

[csrracer]

Lewis was told to lie by his team. it doesn't make his lie excusable, but he has been punished by the FIA for his actions. I place full blame on Mclaren's management because 1.They never should have told their driver to lie and 2 they should never have let it go so far. Even if it was 100% Hamilton's lie, Mclaren's management team should have been trying to fix the issue as soon as the steward's meeting was over. They shouldn't have waited until 4 days later when they had to go to the 2nd stewards meeting. Bad Management.

[Denthúl]

Lewis was told to lie by his team. it doesn't make his lie excusable, but he has been punished by the FIA for his actions. I place full blame on Mclaren's management because 1.They never should have told their driver to lie and 2 they should never have let it go so far. Even if it was 100% Hamilton's lie, Mclaren's management team should have been trying to fix the issue as soon as the steward's meeting was over. They shouldn't have waited until 4 days later when they had to go to the 2nd stewards meeting. Bad Management.

Hamilton should not have let it go on for so long. Hamilton should have spoken up within those four days. Hell, he should have spoken up during the meeting. Bad driver-conduct.

[racechick]

That makes no sense whatsoever "Sorry" is an apology and yes Hamilton was misled. He was told by the Team to let Trulli by, but I took that as Mclaren "misled" him in what to say in front of the stewards.

If that makes no sense to you then you have no concept of what an apology is. "Sorry" is a word often used to express an apology. AN apology is the acceptance that one has done wrong and taking responsibility for it. By passing the buck to Dave, Hamilton failed to apologise.

And this "misled into lying" thing is tosh. How is one misled into lying? He knew it was a lie, if he is aged beyond infancy he knows lying is bad...In what way did they mislead him? The only logical conclusion to that is that they were saying they'd get away with it. And that is hardly redemption for Hamilton. It merely condemns him further.

It would also explain why it is he is so vague as to what the team did to compel him to lie against his apparently untarnished, pure as snow mind's better judgment.

He said he was sorry and unless he's up for an oscar, he was sorry. Why is that such a difficult concept to grasp? Do you not understand that after that it was out of hamilton's hands who took the buck? Would you prefer it if Ryan stayed and Lewis got sacked? The logic of some posts on here defies belief!