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[Frosty]

I think his punishment from the FIA has been enough if his role in the scandal is what he says it is, but I would like an inquiry to look into the full extent of what his involvement was . I would like McLaren to discipline him and take £1million off his wages for this year. If his involvement is more than he has been saying then he should be given a 1 race ban.

Mclaren are not going to ban Lewis for 1 race no matter how culpable he is. The team is in enough trouble as it is without resting their race hopes on Heikki Kovilainen!! Fines will be the most likely punishment but considering his salary it won't hurt much.

I agree I doubt McLaren would but the FIA might.

[8-ball]

When you are an F1 driver, you trust your race director to give you good information and you don't have the time to second guess them. Those who watched the BBC coverage saw the in-car video of Trulli going off and Hamilton doing what he was supposed to do and move up a position, and tell his race director what happened. Ryan told him to let Trulli back in front and Lewis being a team player, did exactly that. So, Ryan knows he made a bad call and tried to cover his tracks, involving Lewis in his little scheme. Lewis is an adult and should know better but he's still young, still impressionable and naive and unfortunately for him, he trusted the wrong guy. Haven't we all gone against our better judgement and followed the advice of someone who is supposed to know better than us? Why does everybody want to crucify Lewis? It was clearly a bad call on his part but the responsibility falls on Ryan, the instigator of the whole mess. At most Lewis should lose his 3rd place because he gave it back to Trulli, but to lose all points for the race AND have further sanctions put on him? I think it's becoming abundantly clear that somebody has it out for Lewis, McLaren or both.

The voice of reason Loosecannon!

Yes Loosecannon makes some very good points but Lewis naive? He is 24 years old and been with the team for 15 years. OK you have to trust your race director but Lewis knew he was going to be deceiving the stewards. At no point during the week the lie was out there did Lewis feel a prick on his conscience? I can understand a heat of the moment decision straight after the race but this thing went on for days before they were exposed. At no point did Lewis or Anthony (and don't tell me he didn't know anything about this) raise concerns about lying to anyone in authority.

Yes it was a mistake but trying to screw over another driver is just what Michael Schumacher did when he tried to run JV off the track in 1997. Now Lewis is not going to get that same level of punishment so losing his points from the race is taking it lightly

[Denthúl]

When you are an F1 driver, you trust your race director to give you good information and you don't have the time to second guess them. Those who watched the BBC coverage saw the in-car video of Trulli going off and Hamilton doing what he was supposed to do and move up a position, and tell his race director what happened. Ryan told him to let Trulli back in front and Lewis being a team player, did exactly that. So, Ryan knows he made a bad call and tried to cover his tracks, involving Lewis in his little scheme. Lewis is an adult and should know better but he's still young, still impressionable and naive and unfortunately for him, he trusted the wrong guy. Haven't we all gone against our better judgement and followed the advice of someone who is supposed to know better than us? Why does everybody want to crucify Lewis? It was clearly a bad call on his part but the responsibility falls on Ryan, the instigator of the whole mess. At most Lewis should lose his 3rd place because he gave it back to Trulli, but to lose all points for the race AND have further sanctions put on him? I think it's becoming abundantly clear that somebody has it out for Lewis, McLaren or both.

The voice of reason Loosecannon!

Yes Loosecannon makes some very good points but Lewis naive? He is 22 years old and been with the team for 15 years. OK you have to trust your race director but Lewis knew he was going to be deceiving the stewards. At no point during the week the lie was out there did Lewis feel a prick on his conscience? I can understand a heat of the moment decision straight after the race but this thing went on for days before they were exposed. At no point did Lewis or Anthony (and don't tell me he didn't know anything about this) raise concerns about lying to anyone in authority.

Yes it was a mistake but trying to screw over another driver is just what Michael Schumacher did when he tried to run JV off the track in 1997. Now Lewis is not going to get that same level of punishment so losing his points from the race is taking it lightly

Particularly the last part

[racechick]

When you are an F1 driver, you trust your race director to give you good information and you don't have the time to second guess them. Those who watched the BBC coverage saw the in-car video of Trulli going off and Hamilton doing what he was supposed to do and move up a position, and tell his race director what happened. Ryan told him to let Trulli back in front and Lewis being a team player, did exactly that. So, Ryan knows he made a bad call and tried to cover his tracks, involving Lewis in his little scheme. Lewis is an adult and should know better but he's still young, still impressionable and naive and unfortunately for him, he trusted the wrong guy. Haven't we all gone against our better judgement and followed the advice of someone who is supposed to know better than us? Why does everybody want to crucify Lewis? It was clearly a bad call on his part but the responsibility falls on Ryan, the instigator of the whole mess. At most Lewis should lose his 3rd place because he gave it back to Trulli, but to lose all points for the race AND have further sanctions put on him? I think it's becoming abundantly clear that somebody has it out for Lewis, McLaren or both.

Once again, another person trying to claim the 24-year old Formula One World Champion who has proven himself to be single-minded and not above defying his team is "young and naive" enough to simply lie because he was told to, even though he'd already told the truth.

Once again, he is either an idiot, a cheat or both. And it's more likely the latter. Stop trying to pin the blame on Dave Ryan for corrupting Ickle Baby Lewis. He was already ruthless and he's no damn baby.

So whats Ryan then by your reckoning, an old fool???

[Jensonb]

When you are an F1 driver, you trust your race director to give you good information and you don't have the time to second guess them. Those who watched the BBC coverage saw the in-car video of Trulli going off and Hamilton doing what he was supposed to do and move up a position, and tell his race director what happened. Ryan told him to let Trulli back in front and Lewis being a team player, did exactly that. So, Ryan knows he made a bad call and tried to cover his tracks, involving Lewis in his little scheme. Lewis is an adult and should know better but he's still young, still impressionable and naive and unfortunately for him, he trusted the wrong guy. Haven't we all gone against our better judgement and followed the advice of someone who is supposed to know better than us? Why does everybody want to crucify Lewis? It was clearly a bad call on his part but the responsibility falls on Ryan, the instigator of the whole mess. At most Lewis should lose his 3rd place because he gave it back to Trulli, but to lose all points for the race AND have further sanctions put on him? I think it's becoming abundantly clear that somebody has it out for Lewis, McLaren or both.

Once again, another person trying to claim the 24-year old Formula One World Champion who has proven himself to be single-minded and not above defying his team is "young and naive" enough to simply lie because he was told to, even though he'd already told the truth.

Once again, he is either an idiot, a cheat or both. And it's more likely the latter. Stop trying to pin the blame on Dave Ryan for corrupting Ickle Baby Lewis. He was already ruthless and he's no damn baby.

So whats Ryan then by your reckoning, an old fool???

No, a scapegoat for a spoiled brat.

[McLaren Fan]

When you are an F1 driver, you trust your race director to give you good information and you don't have the time to second guess them. Those who watched the BBC coverage saw the in-car video of Trulli going off and Hamilton doing what he was supposed to do and move up a position, and tell his race director what happened. Ryan told him to let Trulli back in front and Lewis being a team player, did exactly that. So, Ryan knows he made a bad call and tried to cover his tracks, involving Lewis in his little scheme. Lewis is an adult and should know better but he's still young, still impressionable and naive and unfortunately for him, he trusted the wrong guy. Haven't we all gone against our better judgement and followed the advice of someone who is supposed to know better than us? Why does everybody want to crucify Lewis? It was clearly a bad call on his part but the responsibility falls on Ryan, the instigator of the whole mess. At most Lewis should lose his 3rd place because he gave it back to Trulli, but to lose all points for the race AND have further sanctions put on him? I think it's becoming abundantly clear that somebody has it out for Lewis, McLaren or both.

All this talk of Hamilton being a naive lamb wants to make me spew.

[racechick]

When you are an F1 driver, you trust your race director to give you good information and you don't have the time to second guess them. Those who watched the BBC coverage saw the in-car video of Trulli going off and Hamilton doing what he was supposed to do and move up a position, and tell his race director what happened. Ryan told him to let Trulli back in front and Lewis being a team player, did exactly that. So, Ryan knows he made a bad call and tried to cover his tracks, involving Lewis in his little scheme. Lewis is an adult and should know better but he's still young, still impressionable and naive and unfortunately for him, he trusted the wrong guy. Haven't we all gone against our better judgement and followed the advice of someone who is supposed to know better than us? Why does everybody want to crucify Lewis? It was clearly a bad call on his part but the responsibility falls on Ryan, the instigator of the whole mess. At most Lewis should lose his 3rd place because he gave it back to Trulli, but to lose all points for the race AND have further sanctions put on him? I think it's becoming abundantly clear that somebody has it out for Lewis, McLaren or both.

All this talk of Hamilton being a naive lamb wants to make me spew.

Spew then!!

[8-ball]

When you are an F1 driver, you trust your race director to give you good information and you don't have the time to second guess them. Those who watched the BBC coverage saw the in-car video of Trulli going off and Hamilton doing what he was supposed to do and move up a position, and tell his race director what happened. Ryan told him to let Trulli back in front and Lewis being a team player, did exactly that. So, Ryan knows he made a bad call and tried to cover his tracks, involving Lewis in his little scheme. Lewis is an adult and should know better but he's still young, still impressionable and naive and unfortunately for him, he trusted the wrong guy. Haven't we all gone against our better judgement and followed the advice of someone who is supposed to know better than us? Why does everybody want to crucify Lewis? It was clearly a bad call on his part but the responsibility falls on Ryan, the instigator of the whole mess. At most Lewis should lose his 3rd place because he gave it back to Trulli, but to lose all points for the race AND have further sanctions put on him? I think it's becoming abundantly clear that somebody has it out for Lewis, McLaren or both.

Once again, another person trying to claim the 24-year old Formula One World Champion who has proven himself to be single-minded and not above defying his team is "young and naive" enough to simply lie because he was told to, even though he'd already told the truth.

Once again, he is either an idiot, a cheat or both. And it's more likely the latter. Stop trying to pin the blame on Dave Ryan for corrupting Ickle Baby Lewis. He was already ruthless and he's no damn baby.

So whats Ryan then by your reckoning, an old fool???

No, a scapegoat for a spoiled brat.

No doubt that Dave Ryan is the scapegoat but there was very little else that McLaren could do. They can hardly throw out their number 1 driver. And they had to spin a story to satisfy the FIA and deflect blame from Lewis so unfortunately Dave Ryan's dedicated tenure comes to an end.

It was nothing personal it was just good business

[Jensonb]

No doubt that Dave Ryan is the scapegoat but there was very little else that McLaren could do. They can hardly throw out their number 1 driver. And they had to spin a story to satisfy the FIA and deflect blame from Lewis so unfortunately Dave Ryan's dedicated tenure comes to an end.

It was nothing personal it was just good business

That doesn't make it okay. It's appalling and incredibly unfair.

[racechick]

When you are an F1 driver, you trust your race director to give you good information and you don't have the time to second guess them. Those who watched the BBC coverage saw the in-car video of Trulli going off and Hamilton doing what he was supposed to do and move up a position, and tell his race director what happened. Ryan told him to let Trulli back in front and Lewis being a team player, did exactly that. So, Ryan knows he made a bad call and tried to cover his tracks, involving Lewis in his little scheme. Lewis is an adult and should know better but he's still young, still impressionable and naive and unfortunately for him, he trusted the wrong guy. Haven't we all gone against our better judgement and followed the advice of someone who is supposed to know better than us? Why does everybody want to crucify Lewis? It was clearly a bad call on his part but the responsibility falls on Ryan, the instigator of the whole mess. At most Lewis should lose his 3rd place because he gave it back to Trulli, but to lose all points for the race AND have further sanctions put on him? I think it's becoming abundantly clear that somebody has it out for Lewis, McLaren or both.

Once again, another person trying to claim the 24-year old Formula One World Champion who has proven himself to be single-minded and not above defying his team is "young and naive" enough to simply lie because he was told to, even though he'd already told the truth.

Once again, he is either an idiot, a cheat or both. And it's more likely the latter. Stop trying to pin the blame on Dave Ryan for corrupting Ickle Baby Lewis. He was already ruthless and he's no damn baby.

So whats Ryan then by your reckoning, an old fool???

No, a scapegoat for a spoiled brat.

No doubt that Dave Ryan is the scapegoat but there was very little else that McLaren could do. They can hardly throw out their number 1 driver. And they had to spin a story to satisfy the FIA and deflect blame from Lewis so unfortunately Dave Ryan's dedicated tenure comes to an end.

It was nothing personal it was just good business

Thank you 8Ball, thats what Ive been trying to say. Jeez its a good job some of these guys dont run teams!!

[MAD MAX]

How many more "lets kick McLaren/Hamilton in the bollocks threads" are we to endure. Its happened, the FIA have already taken action, there's more to come for McLaren. Let things take their course. As far as Ryan is concerned, he was the team manager, he took control of the meeting with the Stewards, he was Lewis's boss, he fell......end of story.

[Denthúl]

How many more "lets kick McLaren/Hamilton in the bollocks threads" are we to endure. Its happened, the FIA have already taken action, there's more to come for McLaren. Let things take their course. As far as Ryan is concerned, he was the team manager, he took control of the meeting with the Stewards, he was Lewis's boss, he fell......end of story.

You just don't get it, do you?

[FerrariFan63]

The COMFY CHAIR!!!!!!

[MAD MAX]

You just don't get it, do you?

I certainly do, what you pack of vultures want are not just to eat the meat, you want the bones as well. Hamilton has been punished, his loss of podium, but even worse, much much worse is his loss of face and reputation within the sport. Get over it

[kerc]

The COMFY CHAIR!!!!!!

Alonso fans?