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[Denthúl]

Firing Ryan was completely unnecessary, in my view. Suspending him pending McLaren's internal investigation and the FIA's kangaroo trial was more than adequate to deflect the blame from Hamilton and demonstrate the team were taking suitable action. Bearing this in mind, and that this kind of thing has gone on since day zero in Formula One, Whitmarsh's sacrifice of Ryan should be treated with nothing other than contempt and disgust.

An act of desperation, more than likely.

[McLaren Fan]

If Whitmarsh was thinking of cutting off one limb would save the whole body, he's got it seriously wrong, and it's further evidence of why he's not fit to run McLaren.

[Hexagram]

I think McLaren will be handed a big fine and will be removed from the constructors championship. Severe but fair. Hamilton from what i can see did what he was told to do by the team, i cant see any other reason for him to lie to the FIA. If Hamilton is not punished it would not bother me.

[Frosty]

If Whitmarsh was thinking of cutting off one limb would save the whole body, he's got it seriously wrong, and it's further evidence of why he's not fit to run McLaren.

Who should run the team then?

[McLaren Fan]

If Whitmarsh was thinking of cutting off one limb would save the whole body, he's got it seriously wrong, and it's further evidence of why he's not fit to run McLaren.

Who should run the team then?

Well, this is problem, there isn't anybody readily available to replace him. Whitmarsh should run the team until a suitable replacement is found.

[Frosty]

I think his punishment from the FIA has been enough if his role in the scandal is what he says it is, but I would like an inquiry to look into the full extent of what his involvement was . I would like McLaren to discipline him and take £1million off his wages for this year. If his involvement is more than he has been saying then he should be given a 1 race ban.

[Gilles 27]

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[Jamie]

an anal bee sting

Ouch!!!

[Hexagram]

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[kerc]

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[8-ball]

I think his punishment from the FIA has been enough if his role in the scandal is what he says it is, but I would like an inquiry to look into the full extent of what his involvement was . I would like McLaren to discipline him and take £1million off his wages for this year. If his involvement is more than he has been saying then he should be given a 1 race ban.

Mclaren are not going to ban Lewis for 1 race no matter how culpable he is. The team is in enough trouble as it is without resting their race hopes on Heikki Kovilainen!! Fines will be the most likely punishment but considering his salary it won't hurt much.

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I think that Nicole Sherzinger... (never mind)

[loosecannon]

When you are an F1 driver, you trust your race director to give you good information and you don't have the time to second guess them. Those who watched the BBC coverage saw the in-car video of Trulli going off and Hamilton doing what he was supposed to do and move up a position, and tell his race director what happened. Ryan told him to let Trulli back in front and Lewis being a team player, did exactly that. So, Ryan knows he made a bad call and tried to cover his tracks, involving Lewis in his little scheme. Lewis is an adult and should know better but he's still young, still impressionable and naive and unfortunately for him, he trusted the wrong guy. Haven't we all gone against our better judgement and followed the advice of someone who is supposed to know better than us? Why does everybody want to crucify Lewis? It was clearly a bad call on his part but the responsibility falls on Ryan, the instigator of the whole mess. At most Lewis should lose his 3rd place because he gave it back to Trulli, but to lose all points for the race AND have further sanctions put on him? I think it's becoming abundantly clear that somebody has it out for Lewis, McLaren or both.

[racechick]

When you are an F1 driver, you trust your race director to give you good information and you don't have the time to second guess them. Those who watched the BBC coverage saw the in-car video of Trulli going off and Hamilton doing what he was supposed to do and move up a position, and tell his race director what happened. Ryan told him to let Trulli back in front and Lewis being a team player, did exactly that. So, Ryan knows he made a bad call and tried to cover his tracks, involving Lewis in his little scheme. Lewis is an adult and should know better but he's still young, still impressionable and naive and unfortunately for him, he trusted the wrong guy. Haven't we all gone against our better judgement and followed the advice of someone who is supposed to know better than us? Why does everybody want to crucify Lewis? It was clearly a bad call on his part but the responsibility falls on Ryan, the instigator of the whole mess. At most Lewis should lose his 3rd place because he gave it back to Trulli, but to lose all points for the race AND have further sanctions put on him? I think it's becoming abundantly clear that somebody has it out for Lewis, McLaren or both.

The voice of reason Loosecannon!

[Jensonb]

When you are an F1 driver, you trust your race director to give you good information and you don't have the time to second guess them. Those who watched the BBC coverage saw the in-car video of Trulli going off and Hamilton doing what he was supposed to do and move up a position, and tell his race director what happened. Ryan told him to let Trulli back in front and Lewis being a team player, did exactly that. So, Ryan knows he made a bad call and tried to cover his tracks, involving Lewis in his little scheme. Lewis is an adult and should know better but he's still young, still impressionable and naive and unfortunately for him, he trusted the wrong guy. Haven't we all gone against our better judgement and followed the advice of someone who is supposed to know better than us? Why does everybody want to crucify Lewis? It was clearly a bad call on his part but the responsibility falls on Ryan, the instigator of the whole mess. At most Lewis should lose his 3rd place because he gave it back to Trulli, but to lose all points for the race AND have further sanctions put on him? I think it's becoming abundantly clear that somebody has it out for Lewis, McLaren or both.

Once again, another person trying to claim the 24-year old Formula One World Champion who has proven himself to be single-minded and not above defying his team is "young and naive" enough to simply lie because he was told to, even though he'd already told the truth.

Once again, he is either an idiot, a cheat or both. And it's more likely the latter. Stop trying to pin the blame on Dave Ryan for corrupting Ickle Baby Lewis. He was already ruthless and he's no damn baby.

[Denthúl]

When you are an F1 driver, you trust your race director to give you good information and you don't have the time to second guess them. Those who watched the BBC coverage saw the in-car video of Trulli going off and Hamilton doing what he was supposed to do and move up a position, and tell his race director what happened. Ryan told him to let Trulli back in front and Lewis being a team player, did exactly that. So, Ryan knows he made a bad call and tried to cover his tracks, involving Lewis in his little scheme. Lewis is an adult and should know better but he's still young, still impressionable and naive and unfortunately for him, he trusted the wrong guy. Haven't we all gone against our better judgement and followed the advice of someone who is supposed to know better than us? Why does everybody want to crucify Lewis? It was clearly a bad call on his part but the responsibility falls on Ryan, the instigator of the whole mess. At most Lewis should lose his 3rd place because he gave it back to Trulli, but to lose all points for the race AND have further sanctions put on him? I think it's becoming abundantly clear that somebody has it out for Lewis, McLaren or both.

The voice of reason Loosecannon!

I guess delusion could cause you to consider that reason, yes.

I still fail to see how you can not understand that giving him fourth place would, effectively, have been letting him get away with lying to get one extra point and screw Trulli and Toyota out of six points and a podium, as well as make it look like Jarno was the liar!