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[Gilles 27]

FAT, LAZY, OVERPAID idiot's that call them selfs a union!!

This machine kills fascists....


GM and Ford have been outrageously short sighted in their business strategies in the last 20 or so years, i'm really not sure they deserve any handouts whatsoever. It is easy for me to say that when my job isn't at risk though. I don't really know enough about Daimler/Chrysler to say whether or not this is a good thing. I suspect that it will be better for Daimler/Chrysler than it will be for FIAT

[texasmr2]

By your name I take it you come from Texas....... So you like your Federal taxes going to support the UAW??? Because I F-ing don't!! I'm paying out the a-s-s for health care so why do those lazy UAW idiots get tax payers money to keep their over inflated benefits!!

Chillout man no reason to all excited. I'm not going to sit here and argue with you either as you have your opinion and I have mine and yes I'm a Texan and proud of it .

tex

[madbrad]

Well the 3 post troll seems to be the owner of the forum so I will have no further part of tis place.

[bud]

FAT, LAZY, OVERPAID idiot's that call them selfs a union!!

This machine kills fascists....


GM and Ford have been outrageously short sighted in their business strategies in the last 20 or so years, i'm really not sure they deserve any handouts whatsoever. It is easy for me to say that when my job isn't at risk though. I don't really know enough about Daimler/Chrysler to say whether or not this is a good thing. I suspect that it will be better for Daimler/Chrysler than it will be for FIAT

its no longer called Daimler/Chrysler for starters

[bmwpower]

As long as the UAW refuses to restructure, there's no chance for Chrysler to survive. Chrysler's UAW has over $32 Billion in its coffer, yet refuses to release or restructure to help the company stay afloat. Example, the average Ford employee makes $70 per hour, $55 of which will go into their paychecks and the rest to the UAW. If you are a UAW member and you get laidoff from Chrylser, GM, or Ford, you still get 97% of your pay, so an average worker from UAW will get laidoff about 2-3 months out of the year and back on the job after that, its a revolving plan. The average company in the USA spend an average of $1,250 per employee on health care cost per year, Chrysler's average is $12,000 (last year)!!! This number is expected to DOUBLE this year due to its recent contract with the UAW and the number one prescription Chrysler paid for its employee??....VIAGRA. Chrysler is the world's biggest buyer of Viagra, when you are laidoff for 2 months, still get 97% pay, and you can get anything in the healtcare cabinet, people tend to take advantage of this and don't want to change. BMW NA, Honda, Toyota=No UAW, still breathing. Chrysler and GM=UAW, dying.

[texasmr2]

As long as the UAW refuses to restructure, there's no chance for Chrysler to survive. Chrysler's UAW has over $32 Billion in its coffer, yet refuses to release or restructure to help the company stay afloat. Example, the average Ford employee makes $70 per hour, $55 of which will go into their paychecks and the rest to the UAW. If you are a UAW member and you get laidoff from Chrylser, GM, or Ford, you still get 97% of your pay, so an average worker from UAW will get laidoff about 2-3 months out of the year and back on the job after that, its a revolving plan. The average company in the USA spend an average of $1,250 per employee on health care cost per year, Chrysler's average is $12,000 (last year)!!! This number is expected to DOUBLE this year due to its recent contract with the UAW and the number one prescription Chrysler paid for its employee??....VIAGRA. Chrysler is the world's biggest buyer of Viagra, when you are laidoff for 2 months, still get 97% pay, and you can get anything in the healtcare cabinet, people tend to take advantage of this and don't want to change. BMW NA, Honda, Toyota=No UAW, still breathing. Chrysler and GM=UAW, dying.

Very enlightening yet disheartening information about the UAW.

[bmwpower]

As long as the UAW refuses to restructure, there's no chance for Chrysler to survive. Chrysler's UAW has over $32 Billion in its coffer, yet refuses to release or restructure to help the company stay afloat. Example, the average Ford employee makes $70 per hour, $55 of which will go into their paychecks and the rest to the UAW. If you are a UAW member and you get laidoff from Chrylser, GM, or Ford, you still get 97% of your pay, so an average worker from UAW will get laidoff about 2-3 months out of the year and back on the job after that, its a revolving plan. The average company in the USA spend an average of $1,250 per employee on health care cost per year, Chrysler's average is $12,000 (last year)!!! This number is expected to DOUBLE this year due to its recent contract with the UAW and the number one prescription Chrysler paid for its employee??....VIAGRA. Chrysler is the world's biggest buyer of Viagra, when you are laidoff for 2 months, still get 97% pay, and you can get anything in the healtcare cabinet, people tend to take advantage of this and don't want to change. BMW NA, Honda, Toyota=No UAW, still breathing. Chrysler and GM=UAW, dying.

Very enlightening yet disheartening information about the UAW.

I have a cousin from Detriot that works for Chrysler, he usually visit me on his "laid off" schedule, he usually hang around my house, collect unemployent, 97% of his salary, and goes back to work after two months, he does this sh*t every year or six months because the Big Three are overstaff yet can't trim their work forces due to the UAW, so they rotate these people every two months. He just bought a BMW but has to drive a Chrysler 300 to work because parking for foreign cars are not permited on the Chrysler lot, as for healthcare, they have that mentality that if you have it, spent it. He even when for a check up because he thought one of his leg maybe longer then another . You really want to know why our Big Three is dying?? stop paying somebody $70 per hour just to put revits on a truck

[madbrad]

They don't make $70 per hour, the total wage package is $70 per hour. Everyone's wage, union or not, is less than half of the total package cost. Some of it is government stuff like e.i., govt pension plan, worker safety insurance etc.
Non union car plant wages are just about as high as uaw plants. Besides, assembly line human resources only account for 7% of what it costs to make a car. Where Toyota and Honda are more efficient is not on the line but in the front office. Going back centuries, the culture there doesn't allow for fat cat pork barrel a$$holes with billion dollar bonuses and golden parachutes.

[bmwpower]

They don't make $70 per hour, the total wage package is $70 per hour. Everyone's wage, union or not, is less than half of the total package cost. Some of it is government stuff like e.i., govt pension plan, worker safety insurance etc.
Non union car plant wages are just about as high as uaw plants. Besides, assembly line human resources only account for 7% of what it costs to make a car. Where Toyota and Honda are more efficient is not on the line but in the front office. Going back centuries, the culture there doesn't allow for fat cat pork barrel a$$holes with billion dollar bonuses and golden parachutes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/10/busin ... .html?_r=1

[madbrad]

Take me for example. If I am working, and I usually am not, My rate is $35.95/h, + 10% vacation pay, + 3% into my RRSP. But since the contractor has to pay about $5 to the pension, XX cents to myriad funds in the Local for education, stabilization, SUB, plus stuff to the govt like CPP, EI, WSIB, etc, it costs them about $75. If I am getting double time, that figure isn't doubled, you just add $35.95 + 10% + 3%.
ANother competitive advantage the imports have over the Pig 3 is a good relationship with suppliers. The Pig 3 are constantly strongarming their suppliers and so those suppliers are always at odds with them trying to get enough money to make a profit, and whenever it comes down to it, they will always favour the Japanese clients. This goes on very frequently and causes plant closures due to parts shortages. Overall the Pig 3 operate in a culture of waste. They just figured there would always be enough money to go around.

[Thelma_j]

Don't now much about the auto industry in the U.S..

I did work for Caterpillar in the U.K for a number of years. We were reasonably well paid but in comparison our U.S. colleagues were paid much more for doing the same job.

I own a couple of Fiats and I hope the merger doesn't mean bad news for Fiat. If it does mean the introduction of more fuel efficient cars into the U.S. then that has to be good. I'm not one of these eco-warrior save the planet types but I just can't see the need for such big, uneconomic engines. (Well they'd certainly be uneconomic in the U.K. where around 80% of what you spend at the fuel pumps goes in taxes.

[Lordblackstuff]

I think the introduction of more fuel efficient cars are the way ahead......petrol can only last so long

[RolandRat]

i always thought GM had a share in fiat. Or am i mistaken?

[Thelma_j]

I think the introduction of more fuel efficient cars are the way ahead......petrol can only last so long

Entirely true. But look at the British government. Some guy develops a set up that allows him to burn off used vegetable oil in his diesel fired engine. Better that than pouring it down the drain. Does the British government give him a pat on the back or even an MBE? Like heck they do. They hit him with an enormous tax bil FFS!

[darwin dali]

i always thought GM had a share in fiat. Or am i mistaken?

They used to have an alliance between them, but it got dissolved in 2005 (and GM paid $2bn to FIAT for that).