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[Gaz]

Why are some people talking about this situation and comparing to last year?? Last year's McLaren car was different, this year's car doesn't even belong in top 7 or 8. We ALL KNOW Hamilton doesn't even belong top 10 places in Australia with his car yet he got fourth due to other circumstances, so he lost a place that wasn't his in the first place, is this gonna affect Hamilton's championship run this year?? do you think the McLaren can turn it around fast enough to fight for the Championship??

he overtook 8 people...

so before you spout on about that, he earned that place and the FIA took it from him because they hate Mclaren if a Ferrari driver when thought he same circumstances then it would of been overlooked.

Name that 8 "fast" cars he OVERTOOK

*yawn*

one of the slow cars on the field still finished ahead of most of it.

good drive well earned 4th if not 3rd until the FIA get involved, when they didn't really need too

[stonemonkey]

Some footage of Hamilton slowing. Quite a speed difference, to be honest, and it's a pretty quick drop from decent pace to low pace. Staying off the racing line, too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 979304.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trulli slows down at the end of the clip ...............once he's past the recovery vehicle taking up half the track.

[Denthúl]

Some footage of Hamilton slowing. Quite a speed difference, to be honest, and it's a pretty quick drop from decent pace to low pace. Staying off the racing line, too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 979304.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trulli slows down at the end of the clip ...............once he's past the recovery vehicle taking up half the track.

Unsighted and no white flags being shown, either. And he starts to slow down as he approaches it, not afterwards.

[Jamie]

Hello my good people well this is a very funny situation? I've heard a few things. So I will be brief? I have herd that he lied to the FIA, which I find a little naughty if you should say. But you do cheat then Karma will come back around. I find Trulli having the points back is a result! So congratulations to the Italian. I think this proves some characteristics of the Brit. Which I find very upsetting that he would lie and cheat to prosper only to 3rd? Better luck next time on the weekend. Which I am hopeful people won't be playing dirty. Congratulations on the Toyota and job well done to the FIA for finally doing there job and showing us they are taking allot of things onboard now days? Because it seems to me that people have had easy rides at the moment. This weekend should be a more successful one for most of the teams. I guess this post will cause some eruptions in the rain forest, but before your silver back monkeys come out. There will be no point, as it makes no difference, the crying nor bitching will not key hammy the points so be top sports men and just deal with it. As you know from Schumi, cheating gets you no were.
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[Tony_sa]

First post/new member. Can't be silent on this; will try to keep it short.

I may be done with F1 after this. I said the same thing last year after the '08 Spa scandal but still came back.

Hamilton didn't lie about the events on track in '08 but was still penalized despite "following the rules." This time he "lied?" and was punished but Trulli got to keep 3rd spot despite confirming he passed Hamilton under safety. I can't think of any other sport where what the contenders say overrides what they do on the track/field/etc. So why the inconsistency when ruling against drivers; lies or not?

A lot of this has probably already been stated but this time Hamilton only let Trulli pass in an attempt to MEET the regulations (can't blame him after what happened last year) and still loses completely. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. I'd recommend he just drive and think of nothing else the rest of the season since he'll be treated the same either way. Should make for a less stressful year. Hell, I think even Ron Dennis' stepping aside had to do with much of the stress over the past 2 seasons.

If I don't bother to watch anymore at least I'll save some money. My cable company (Comcast) only offers Speed (NOT in HD!) as part of an $8/mth sports pack. Add to that the roughly 15 bucks more for the dvr box just for access to that sports pack and watching F1 has not been a cheap each month. Guess I'll go back to downloading torrents of the races while dodging spoilers of the results as I did years ago. Maybe I'll catch a few of the races on Fox instead.

Welcome to the forum..

we can appreciate how you feel but when the dust settles F1 will still be there with all its issues. feel free to visit anytime you wish.

[darwin dali]

What is disappointing here is, not only did LH lie by denying that he intentionally let JT pass again. No, he went further and apparently fabricated a lame explanation for why he slowed down, i.e., he claimed to having been busy reading the SC display on his steering wheel when by that time there wasn't anything on it anymore. So, it's not just a semi-excusable lie of denying something, it's much worse: it's intentional deception to gain a benefit aka fraud. Tell me Mr. 2-years-into-your-law-Ph.D., what is the range of punishment for fraud in the UK?

[bmwpower]

Why are some people talking about this situation and comparing to last year?? Last year's McLaren car was different, this year's car doesn't even belong in top 7 or 8. We ALL KNOW Hamilton doesn't even belong top 10 places in Australia with his car yet he got fourth due to other circumstances, so he lost a place that wasn't his in the first place, is this gonna affect Hamilton's championship run this year?? do you think the McLaren can turn it around fast enough to fight for the Championship??

he overtook 8 people...

so before you spout on about that, he earned that place and the FIA took it from him because they hate Mclaren if a Ferrari driver when thought he same circumstances then it would of been overlooked.

Name that 8 "fast" cars he OVERTOOK

*yawn*

one of the slow cars on the field still finished ahead of most of it.

good drive well earned 4th if not 3rd until the FIA get involved, when they didn't really need too

If Hamilton truely earned that 4th, then Kubica earned that 2nd until Vettel took it from him.

Kubca-DNF
Vettel-DNF
Massa-DNF
Kimi-DNF
Neslon-DNF
Heidfeld-damaged
Naka-DNF
Toyota-Started from the pit
Nico-Pit problem
Heikki-DNF
Webber-damaged
Force Indai-now who doesn't pass up these guys??
Truilli- LH passed him TWICE, one on the safety car, another after the race
Alonso- He did passed Alonso, but I don't think they were even within 100ft of each other all day.

Mate you need to stop putting a smoke screen on how great LH and McLaren is at Australia. They currently have a dog of a car and they are were they should be until they can improve on the design.

[bmwpower]

First post/new member. Can't be silent on this; will try to keep it short.

I may be done with F1 after this. I said the same thing last year after the '08 Spa scandal but still came back.

Hamilton didn't lie about the events on track in '08 but was still penalized despite "following the rules." This time he "lied?" and was punished but Trulli got to keep 3rd spot despite confirming he passed Hamilton under safety. I can't think of any other sport where what the contenders say overrides what they do on the track/field/etc. So why the inconsistency when ruling against drivers; lies or not?

A lot of this has probably already been stated but this time Hamilton only let Trulli pass in an attempt to MEET the regulations (can't blame him after what happened last year) and still loses completely. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. I'd recommend he just drive and think of nothing else the rest of the season since he'll be treated the same either way. Should make for a less stressful year. Hell, I think even Ron Dennis' stepping aside had to do with much of the stress over the past 2 seasons.

If I don't bother to watch anymore at least I'll save some money. My cable company (Comcast) only offers Speed (NOT in HD!) as part of an $8/mth sports pack. Add to that the roughly 15 bucks more for the dvr box just for access to that sports pack and watching F1 has not been a cheap each month. Guess I'll go back to downloading torrents of the races while dodging spoilers of the results as I did years ago. Maybe I'll catch a few of the races on Fox instead.

One post and you are done, nice contribution and a true F1 fan

[2Del]

Welcome to the forum..

we can appreciate how you feel but when the dust settles F1 will still be there with all its issues. feel free to visit anytime you wish.

Thanks Tony_sa.

To respond to some of the other posts: not sure I'm ready to call F1 outright racist yet. Even if a number of people involved are, it may not be fair to group them all together (the Max Mosely video comes to mind; how did he ever manage to keep his job after that?) I will admit though that the FIA is clearly beginning to practice double standards. At least against Mclaren and/or its driver(s).

[Gaz]

Why are some people talking about this situation and comparing to last year?? Last year's McLaren car was different, this year's car doesn't even belong in top 7 or 8. We ALL KNOW Hamilton doesn't even belong top 10 places in Australia with his car yet he got fourth due to other circumstances, so he lost a place that wasn't his in the first place, is this gonna affect Hamilton's championship run this year?? do you think the McLaren can turn it around fast enough to fight for the Championship??

he overtook 8 people...

so before you spout on about that, he earned that place and the FIA took it from him because they hate Mclaren if a Ferrari driver when thought he same circumstances then it would of been overlooked.

Name that 8 "fast" cars he OVERTOOK

*yawn*

one of the slow cars on the field still finished ahead of most of it.

good drive well earned 4th if not 3rd until the FIA get involved, when they didn't really need too

If Hamilton truely earned that 4th, then Kubica earned that 2nd until Vettel took it from him.

Kubca-DNF
Vettel-DNF
Massa-DNF
Kimi-DNF
Neslon-DNF
Heidfeld-damaged
Naka-DNF
Toyota-Started from the pit
Nico-Pit problem
Heikki-DNF
Webber-damaged
Force Indai-now who doesn't pass up these guys??
Truilli- LH passed him TWICE, one on the safety car, another after the race
Alonso- He did passed Alonso, but I don't think they were even within 100ft of each other all day.

Mate you need to stop putting a smoke screen on how great LH and McLaren is at Australia. They currently have a dog of a car and they are were they should be until they can improve on the design.

I'm not he did a good job its just your abit too anti mclaren/hamitlon to see it.

and its boring and wrong

[2Del]

One post and you are done, nice contribution and a true F1 fan

I should have said its becoming harder (if not impossible) to stay an F1 fan. I mean: who doesn't love the sound of 19,000 (sorry, I meant 18,000) rpms.

[JAKE THE F1 MAN!!]

Tbh if we are not careful the rules and fights and stupid regulations will shadow the acctual racing!

[Tony_sa]

Welcome to the forum..

we can appreciate how you feel but when the dust settles F1 will still be there with all its issues. feel free to visit anytime you wish.

Thanks Tony_sa.

To respond to some of the other posts: not sure I'm ready to call F1 outright racist yet. Even if a number of people involved are, it may not be fair to group them all together (the Max Mosely video comes to mind; how did he ever manage to keep his job after that?) I will admit though that the FIA is clearly beginning to practice double standards. At least against Mclaren and/or its driver(s).

to be very honest with you. I have been a ferarri fan for as long as I care to remember but have leant to stay away from the inner workings of it over the past few years coz it became too much of a controversy with rules changing and crap. so I watch the race and leave and if anything changes i will pick it up elsewhere. thats how i deal with it and it works for me

[bmwpower]

Why are some people talking about this situation and comparing to last year?? Last year's McLaren car was different, this year's car doesn't even belong in top 7 or 8. We ALL KNOW Hamilton doesn't even belong top 10 places in Australia with his car yet he got fourth due to other circumstances, so he lost a place that wasn't his in the first place, is this gonna affect Hamilton's championship run this year?? do you think the McLaren can turn it around fast enough to fight for the Championship??

he overtook 8 people...

so before you spout on about that, he earned that place and the FIA took it from him because they hate Mclaren if a Ferrari driver when thought he same circumstances then it would of been overlooked.

Name that 8 "fast" cars he OVERTOOK

*yawn*

one of the slow cars on the field still finished ahead of most of it.

good drive well earned 4th if not 3rd until the FIA get involved, when they didn't really need too

If Hamilton truely earned that 4th, then Kubica earned that 2nd until Vettel took it from him.

Kubca-DNF
Vettel-DNF
Massa-DNF
Kimi-DNF
Neslon-DNF
Heidfeld-damaged
Naka-DNF
Toyota-Started from the pit
Nico-Pit problem
Heikki-DNF
Webber-damaged
Force Indai-now who doesn't pass up these guys??
Truilli- LH passed him TWICE, one on the safety car, another after the race
Alonso- He did passed Alonso, but I don't think they were even within 100ft of each other all day.

Mate you need to stop putting a smoke screen on how great LH and McLaren is at Australia. They currently have a dog of a car and they are were they should be until they can improve on the design.

I'm not he did a good job its just your abit too anti mclaren/hamitlon to see it.

and its boring and wrong

Anti-Mclaren-if you search my posts, you will find that I've supported LH/McLaren when ever they are attacked for being right. The only anti thing I see is being anti-reality. You still have not answered my question, deep down in your heart do you think LH has the car at Austrilia to finish 4th and still you have not named the "8 good cars" he "overtook". Instead of debating, the only answer or respond is a "boring" and "yawn", that's not a debate, because you don't have the answer.