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[CookinFlat6]

A cynic would say Merc partially validated against this most one sided of poll results.

A cynic could say they fixed Nicos Ers just to make sure only Lewis didnt retire with an issue, lets face it Nico doesnt lose much, and lewis is guaranteed to win, without any double points controversy causing a terrible Pr problem for Merc

The question though is who could have been in on it? possibly Padi and Toto, maybe Niki

Nicos ERS failing does however in a way validate the claim Merc would not allow Lewis to lose because of a Mercedes unreliability. With Nico the issue is masked by Lewis winning and no one qasks qwuestions as it would be bad form on a day like today

either way - just like I said, above in the OP, the best guy has won with no controversy for Daimler

[sagi58]

...Nicos ERS failing does however in a way validate the claim Merc would not allow Lewis to lose because of a Mercedes unreliability. With Nico the issue is masked by Lewis winning and no one qasks qwuestions as it would be bad form on a day like today...

But, you did ask, even if it was in a subversive manner.
So... what's your answer?

What if Hamilton had been the one with the issues that Rosberg had today?
Why shouldn't that be controversial for Mercedes? Or just because Hamilton
won it's ok that Rosberg had the mechanical / reliability issues?

[Hammer278]

Mattiaci will get time, Ferrari aren't stupid. They gave Domenicalli 3 and a half years ......

[racechick]

...Nicos ERS failing does however in a way validate the claim Merc would not allow Lewis to lose because of a Mercedes unreliability. With Nico the issue is masked by Lewis winning and no one qasks qwuestions as it would be bad form on a day like today...

But, you did ask, even if it was in a subversive manner.
So... what's your answer?

What if Hamilton had been the one with the issues that Rosberg had today?
Why shouldn't that be controversial for Mercedes? Or just because Hamilton
won it's ok that Rosberg had the mechanical / reliability issues?

its not OK for anyone to have mechanical issues, Mercedes were absolutely clear about that. what they were also clear about, as was Nico, is that the mechanical issues made no difference to the outcome of the champiuonship because Lewis had got the job done by the first corner.
Had the mechanical issues occured on Lewis' car then they would have made a difference, because if Lewis had retired(or dropped right back) and Nico gone on to win, then the mechanical issue would have changed the outcome of the WDC.

[sagi58]

...Nicos ERS failing does however in a way validate the claim Merc would not allow Lewis to lose because of a Mercedes unreliability. With Nico the issue is masked by Lewis winning and no one qasks qwuestions as it would be bad form on a day like today...

But, you did ask, even if it was in a subversive manner.
So... what's your answer?

What if Hamilton had been the one with the issues that Rosberg had today?
Why shouldn't that be controversial for Mercedes? Or just because Hamilton
won it's ok that Rosberg had the mechanical / reliability issues?

its not OK for anyone to have mechanical issues, Mercedes were absolutely clear about that. what they were also clear about, as was Nico, is that the mechanical issues made no difference to the outcome of the champiuonship because Lewis had got the job done by the first corner.
Had the mechanical issues occured on Lewis' car then they would have made a difference, because if Lewis had retired(or dropped right back) and Nico gone on to win, then the mechanical issue would have changed the outcome of the WDC.

Cookin' referred to there being no controversy for Daimler, because Hamilton won.
I asked why it wasn't controversial that Rosberg had the problems as it would follow,
from his comment/opinion, that it was ok that it was him and not Hamilton.

p.s. Here's the exact quote:

...either way - just like I said, above in the OP, the best guy has won with no controversy for Daimler

[LRW]

I assume Cookin' means that Rosberg was not in a winning position, and had he not had mechanical issues, he still wouldnt of won the WDC - so the overall result was not affected by mechanical issues. If Lewis had developed mechanical issues and dropped out of the points, the WDC could be seen to have been decided by a mechanical fault. This is bad for brand Mercedes.

[CookinFlat6]

^Wot LRW said innit

sagi - the clue is that NO ONE is saying ANY controversy or unfairness or double points misjustice has occurred - NO ONE - thats the end result - end of story

In whatever way Daimler have the result I predicted in the poll - zero controversy

Nico lost at the start, once he was behind lewis and obviously wasnt able to keep up the WDC was over - UNLESS 2 things happend - Lewis dnf for a Merc fault = big controversy or Nico dnf for a Merc fault = NO controversy cos he already lost the WDC and losing one race from reliability is not important

how can you not get this, or rather how can you expect to irritate Merc fans with this, there is zero controversy unless you want to make it so

oh yes, I was wrong on the polled question and everyone else was correct - Merc didnt dnf Lewis after Nico had a fault - I was just pointing out that they didnt have to because for whatever reason they had their desired outcome and thats that

[LRW]

...I was wrong .....

There you go Sagi. Frame it.

[CookinFlat6]

...I was wrong .....

There you go Sagi. Frame it.

I didnt write that, its there but I never wrote it, you misunderstood, you have all misunderstood, how many times must I tell you guys - i dint say that, I didnt mean that, you misread, doesnt matter how often you post the link to my words - I didnt say them, I will keep repeating this, once in a while I will say i didnt deny those were my words in the first place
Sooner or later someone will say

you hit the nail on the head

and that will be that, i got away with lying

[Ferrari man 009]

Mattiaci will get time, Ferrari aren't stupid. They gave Domenicalli 3 and a half years when in other sports (e.g. football) he could have been fired for his part in throwing both the 2008 (reliability issues and of course the pitstop in Singapore) and 2010 (Abu Dhabi strategy screw up) WDC's away. The important thing in 2015 and 2016 is Ferrari make progress and win the occasional race. If it wasn't for the brilliance of Alonso in 2012 and the first half of 2013 it would have been 4 consecutive years without a title challenge for Ferrari. For a team with the reputation and history of Ferrari that isnt good enough.

Whoops! Seems Ferrari were a bit more trigger happy than I thought they were

[CookinFlat6]

Mattiaci will get time, Ferrari aren't stupid. They gave Domenicalli 3 and a half years when in other sports (e.g. football) he could have been fired for his part in throwing both the 2008 (reliability issues and of course the pitstop in Singapore) and 2010 (Abu Dhabi strategy screw up) WDC's away. The important thing in 2015 and 2016 is Ferrari make progress and win the occasional race. If it wasn't for the brilliance of Alonso in 2012 and the first half of 2013 it would have been 4 consecutive years without a title challenge for Ferrari. For a team with the reputation and history of Ferrari that isnt good enough.

Whoops! Seems Ferrari were a bit more trigger happy than I thought they were

yup, there are somethings we cant find on Wiki

Its already changing - the way they have dumped Alonso and gambled on Seb doesnt hint at caution anymore, MnM will give it a very good shot, the only issue is the amount of time he gets before its dismantled in the same way they dismantled Alonso - but he is very sharp

[LH44]

Ferrari don't hang about. They are not going to wait till he does a Whitmarsh before booting his arse into tuch

[CookinFlat6]

The guy started off really well, but i guess the writing on the wall was there the moment he started with the completely illogical 'entitlement' approach so beloved of di montezedodo

I remember thinking when he said 'lifting the engine freeze wont cost the smaller teams any more money because whatever extra they have to pay, they will recoup by gaining places on the grid and hence more prizemoney, and so its actually cheaper for the back grid teams if we unfreeze'

Thats when it was clear the guy was no longer using his own hymn sheet but the well worn and dog eared Ferrari 'entitlement not development' manifesto thats served them so well in the last 40 years or so, its just that monte ripped out the page where it mentions what to do when Bernie has been forced to also payoff Red Bull, Merc, Williams and Mclaren.

Oh well they will be receiving a new document soon outlining how to make ROI reports

[sagi58]

...I was wrong .....

There you go Sagi. Frame it.

I'll pass, thanks!! I'm not into "I told you so"!!

[sagi58]

...how can you not get this, or rather how can you expect to irritate Merc fans with this, there is zero controversy unless you want to make it so

Don't paint everyone with the brush that seems to be your own trademark!