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#229291
Mosley fears for F1's future
Former FIA President Max Mosley has said that the extended 2011 calendar and a lack of cost-cutting plans could affect the health of Formula One.
With F1 2010 having already equalled the record for the greatest number of grands prix in a single campaign following the arrival of Korea, next year is set to shift the goalposts again with 20 races as India joins the bill.

With the USA and Russia, amongst other countries, lining up to host races in the near future, Sir Frank Williams recently remarked that he can foresee a 22-stop schedule before long.

Mosley, however, contends the end result will only be to alienate fans.

“For me personally, it’s too much,” he told German newspaper Welt.

“In my opinion, that’s too many Sunday afternoons to expect people to dedicate to F1. At some point, it starts to become tiresome – and then if you start skipping a race here and there, it can quickly become a habit and it can snowball in terms of the TV ratings.”

As to the cost of competing in the top flight, Mosley – who was at the very forefront of the drive to slash escalating expenditure prior to stepping down from the most powerful position in the sport late last year – reveals that his concerns have scarcely been alleviated over the past twelve months, advocating a budget cap for 2012 and 2013 to avert a short-term ‘crisis’.

“In January 2008 I warned that without cost reduction it won’t be only the small teams having problems,” he stressed.

“It has arrived – Honda, BMW, Toyota and Renault have gone because the budgets are out-of-proportion. This continues to be true, and it worries me.

“There is the risk of a crisis in the short-term. Currently, a great season is being celebrated, but the future looks bleak.

"For 2011, you need $100 million, with $30 million or $40 million from Bernie Ecclestone, perhaps $20 million to $25 million from sponsors or the drivers. I’d say six teams are wondering where the rest is coming from. It’s quite possible we’ll lose two or three teams.”

This year, of course, F1 gained three teams with the addition of Lotus, Virgin and Hispania (HRT) to the fray – all enticed by the Englishman’s promise of a strictly-enforced but ultimately never implemented budget cap.

The 70-year-old is quick to decry Ecclestone’s vitriolic criticism of the newcomers’ efforts, with the Formula One Management chief executive more recently blaming his long-time ally and business associate Mosley for their struggles in 2010.

“I don’t agree,” he underlined. “They need to be given time to improve. Virgin’s development has been downright revolutionary – their car was built entirely without a wind tunnel, and that’s a warning for the likes of McLaren because their wind tunnels are like running a small town.

"On the other hand, Virgin developed a car only with computer simulation and it’s only two or three seconds slower. No-one can argue that the huge cost of the wind tunnels is justified.”

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/06122010/ ... uture.html
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Personally, I would love to have 2-3 more weekends of F1 every year.

Also, I believe that computer sim can go so far compared to the real thing. Just remove the cap and let teams race and spend as much as they want. If they have the money for it so what is the problem?
#229292
Who is Max Mosley and why should his opinion matter :hehe: ? I personaly want more races but not in NASCAR style/numbers.

“For me personally, it’s too much,” he told German newspaper Welt.
“In my opinion, that’s too many Sunday afternoons to expect people to dedicate to F1. At some point, it starts to become tiresome – and then if you start skipping a race here and there, it can quickly become a habit and it can snowball in terms of the TV ratings.”

If he cannot be bothered with a few extra races per season how did he become the head of the FIA? All we hear from him is utter nonsense :yawn: !
#229296
He does make some valid points,also tracks wanting to leave and not making profits! The main thing in F1 now is that only Bernie is making money,and he blames the teams for not spending more :hehe::hehe::hehe:

Toyota was spending 400 mill a year,where are they?
#229299
He does make some valid points,also tracks wanting to leave and not making profits! The main thing in F1 now is that only Bernie is making money,and he blames the teams for not spending more :hehe::hehe::hehe:

Yes some were valid and Bernie does deserved alot if not most of the blame. Alot of blame can also be set on the shoulders of our suffering economy's and the ticket prices keep going up :confused: . The fans are paying for the 'cost cutting' which is leading to a decrease in attendance thus the tracks not making a profit, a very fickle situation we have here with our beloved F1 :( .

Anyway back to Max I think now that he is gone and has no say so whatsoever he's only looking for press time, must be getting kinda boring at the cottage and Ron not returning any of his email's :hehe: ?
#229301
im not saying that i agree with max, but if it goes too far, then im not sure..but i also fear with the usa and russia being added, what races are going to face the axe, well hopefully valencia can go, not really going to miss that and barcelona too?
By Jack Master
#229303
In my opinion F1’s owners should put much more money into the teams. Obviously adding races means more profits for them. If they had a $193 million profit in 2009 it is very likely that they improve the benefits in the following years. What is the problem then?
When a business, despite the crisis, is continuously developing globally, with more and more countries bidding for hosting a Grand Prix, the economic problems alleged for Mosley are a little bit fictitious.
Personally I would like to have more races every year. In many sports the season is longer than in F1 and there isn’t any problem.
#229304
Yes it's crazy in the sense that F1 is trying to add value and revenues yet our economy has left us with many sacrifices. Imho a stabilization on adding new venues is needed and improve the existing tracks at a nominal cost compared to adding another venue. The Austin GP is still walking on thin ice I believe which is kinda sad only because the US market is not being utilized with maximum efficiency, alot of love for F1 here it's just not being realized or utilized in the proper fashion. Russia can wait until a more stable plan is setforth and implemented yet if they are willing to foot 99% of the cost, including Bernies multi-millions, I say good for them :thumbup: . The Russians I have met are a very passionate people and would love to have such an event and Petrov should make it a sellout event.

In my opinion F1’s owners should put much more money into the teams. Obviously adding races means more profits for them. If they had a $193 million profit in 2009 it is very likely that they improve the benefits in the following years. What is the problem then?

When a business, despite the crisis, is continuously developing globally, with more and more countries bidding for hosting a Grand Prix, the economic problems alleged for Mosley are a little bit fictitious.
Personally I would like to have more races every year. Personally I would like to have more races every year. In many sports the season is longer than in F1 and there isn’t any problem .

:yes: but the issue with your bolded text comment is that those said sports do not have the operating cost compared to F1. I doubt we will loose F1 as a whole but if it starts in any sense of comparing to INDYCAR we all will have a problem.
By Jack Master
#229305
Yes it's crazy in the sense that F1 is trying to add value and revenues yet our economy has left us with many sacrifices. Imho a stabilization on adding new venues is needed and improve the existing tracks at a nominal cost compared to adding another venue. The Austin GP is still walking on thin ice I believe which is kinda sad only because the US market is not being utilized with maximum efficiency, alot of love for F1 here it's just not being realized or utilized in the proper fashion. Russia can wait until a more stable plan is setforth and implemented yet if they are willing to foot 99% of the cost, including Bernies multi-millions, I say good for them :thumbup: . The Russians I have met are a very passionate people and would love to have such an event and Petrov should make it a sellout event.

In my opinion F1’s owners should put much more money into the teams. Obviously adding races means more profits for them. If they had a $193 million profit in 2009 it is very likely that they improve the benefits in the following years. What is the problem then?

When a business, despite the crisis, is continuously developing globally, with more and more countries bidding for hosting a Grand Prix, the economic problems alleged for Mosley are a little bit fictitious.
Personally I would like to have more races every year. Personally I would like to have more races every year. In many sports the season is longer than in F1 and there isn’t any problem .

:yes: but the issue with your bolded text comment is that those said sports do not have the operating cost compared to F1. I doubt we will loose F1 as a whole but if it starts in any sense of comparing to INDYCAR we all will have a problem.


Yes but they are continuously opening new markets. F1 has an immense developing potential. The new rich countries want to host a Grand Prix as they want to host The Olympic Games or The Soccer World Championship. It’s a business in full expansion.
They should be more concerned in implementing measures to make F1 more attractive than in just cutting costs. That in my opinion are opposites ways.
#229307
Yes but they are continuously opening new markets. F1 has an immense developing potential.

I agree but that does not mean it is good business, it's only over expenditure for unnecessary reasons when actually the bottom line is the survival of the sport, right? How many threads are there concerning what older and in most opinions are greater tracks than we have now and that we would like to see braught back?

The new rich countries want to host a Grand Prix as they want to host The Olympic Games or The Soccer World Championship. It’s a business in full expansion.

Not alot of 'new rich countries' right now as they have bigger concerns in the worlds global market. The expenditure they want to throw away could be more well spent and then returned when they can put their nation/people and economy over a once a year tourist attraction. My simple meaning is why spend hundreds of millions upon a race facility when a majority of that countries nation are fighting poverty and are fighting to feed their family muchless worrying about attending a GP race.

They should be more concerned in implementing measures to make F1 more attractive than in just cutting costs. That in my opinion are opposites ways.

I myself don't think the attractivness of F1 is an isssue, it's the cost entailed and Bernies bank balance.

Nice to have a good discussion/debate rather than an arguement don't ya think? :D
#229313
New Markets??????????? F1 was mainly focused in Europe the more races they take away from europe the more fans they loose! Europian tracks can not afford Bernies entry fee,thats why we have these races held in these ridiculous places with no history,no fans! The bottom line is Bernie gets his money and doesnt care if two fans show up,and it's up to race promoters to deal with the rest!

Most of these new tracks are garbage for racing but great for the SHOW
#229319
New Markets??????????? F1 was mainly focused in Europe the more races they take away from europe the more fans they loose! Europian tracks can not afford Bernies entry fee,thats why we have these races held in these ridiculous places with no history,no fans! The bottom line is Bernie gets his money and doesnt care if two fans show up,and it's up to race promoters to deal with the rest!

Most of these new tracks are garbage for racing but great for the SHOW

:clap:
#229325
What you guys think/make of only 9 races out of 20 held in Europe?? As far as I remember Europe was the backbone of F1. I'm curious to know if F1 is loosing fans,with all these races held in different timezones and are inconvinient to Europian fans!
#229326
Toyota was spending 400 mill a year,where are they?[/quote]

That amount of money and no wins to show for it, what a shame.
#229327
I dont know where he gets the new longer calendar is going to hurt F1. From what i saw.......... i was kinda hoping to have another race left after Abu Dahbi :)
What's bad for the sport is the way the $ is distributed. They have to find better ways to make the races/venues and teams sustainable.
By Jack Master
#229332
For my short experience in this Forum I doubt seriously that any of you take seriously what I’m going to say but, who cares?
In my opinion, if we want to debate seriously about F1, his present and his future, we need to establish before, a kind of general frame to work over, because we have to take into account that any measure implemented will affect the others involved.
As I’m not an expert in F1 I’m going to need your help to amend the things that I establish wrongfully.
When you merge power, money and people in enough quantity, you get as residual products a good amount of corruption and inefficiency. That production has the tendency to increase with time and is bigger when increasing the quantity of the three mentioned products. In official organizations this tendency never stops, in private ones the limit in inefficiency and corruption is marked for the successive economic crisis when the less efficient and more corrupted tend to disappear. That’s, in my opinion, like a chemical universal law. It could have exceptions but I don’t know about anyone, now or historically.
In F1 we have a main power that is F1 right holders and other smaller as the FOTA, I mean the teams, and the FIA.
The clients are the circuit owners (many times countries), sponsors, TV channels and media in general, and finally the fans.
The F1 OWNERS have two main objectives; keep the control and getting profits.
1.- CONTROL.- Their potential enemy are the teams. As we have seen recently the FOTA avoided the new rules that the owners, with the help of the FIA, tried to impose, threatening with establishing a parallel Championship.
The F1 owners don’t want a group of strong and united teams because they could have the possibility of taking the control from them and therefore they act in consequence. We should debate what are the measures they try to implement for getting that.
2.- PROFITS.- They need to progressively increase the number of his clients and the money they take from them. For that they need globalizing the F1 and bringing a product universally accepted. They can use several types of strategies that we could debate.
The FIA is an official an old organism heavily corrupted and severely inefficient. I believe is pretty easy for the F1 owners to control it.
The TEAMS are involved in a fight, some of them for the Championship, others for surviving. We should debate about what are their needs and how are the relationship between them and the F1 owners.

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