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[FRAFPDD]

If i had to pick three tracks that red bull would dominate thi year suzuka would be one of them, and i dont know about you, but finishing hardly ahead of Alonso, and being done over for fastest laps several times by Hamilton, I think its safe to say that at the next three tracks, with less flowing corners, Red Bull really are going to have to fight for the win. Its suprising how much they can ramble on in the tv coverage about the same thing, and not mention how Red Bull were nowhere near Hungary dominace level. The start two straights at korea, the small windy section and two big straights in brazil, and the three straights in abu dhabi means that there may still be a bit to go for webber or vettel to win the title...

[hounddub]

I think that last year Webber dominated in Brazil and Vettel dominated at Yas Marina....so the only variable is Korea

[Big Azza]

Yeah - the huge advantage is gone. But I think Vettel will be quicker than Alonso. Here's hoping Mark gets another win soon instead of dropping off into the distance.... well - third.

Once again I am undecided as to who I want to win the championship. Vettel has been EPIC to come back from Spa.

[FRAFPDD]

I think that last year Webber dominated in Brazil and Vettel dominated at Yas Marina....so the only variable is Korea

well i think that your bias is clouding your vision lol

The cars change every year i think....Didnt Hamilton qualify pole in Yas Marina, only to suffer nechanical problems. Didnt Vettel have like 3 poles last season, hasnt he had like 9 so far this season. Last years performance means nothing, i thought that was basic knowledge amongst F1 fans, look at the CURRENT car/driver characteristics compared to the track characteristics is how you judge things.

[hounddub]

I think that last year Webber dominated in Brazil and Vettel dominated at Yas Marina....so the only variable is Korea

well i think that your bias is clouding your vision lol

The cars change every year i think....Didnt Hamilton qualify pole in Yas Marina, only to suffer nechanical problems. Didnt Vettel have like 3 poles last season, hasnt he had like 9 so far this season. Last years performance means nothing, i thought that was basic knowledge amongst F1 fans, look at the CURRENT car/driver characteristics compared to the track characteristics is how you judge things.

Nope....not buying any of that sorry.

Lewis did get pole at Yas Marina...agreed. But frankly, anyone with any F1 sense could not possibly state that "Red Bull's advantage is over" on the day they just cruised to a one-two in Suzuka.

[AKR]

If i had to pick three tracks that red bull would dominate thi year suzuka would be one of them, and i dont know about you, but finishing hardly ahead of Alonso, and being done over for fastest laps several times by Hamilton, I think its safe to say that at the next three tracks, with less flowing corners, Red Bull really are going to have to fight for the win. Its suprising how much they can ramble on in the tv coverage about the same thing, and not mention how Red Bull were nowhere near Hungary dominace level. The start two straights at korea, the small windy section and two big straights in brazil, and the three straights in abu dhabi means that there may still be a bit to go for webber or vettel to win the title...

You don't know what you are talking about. Red Bull had Suzuka under full control. They were always going to stay one and two. Why would they go faster and risk crashing or car problems for. Alonso caught them but they were not going their fastest. Alonso was never going to pass the Red Bulls. As for McLaren, the best they would of done was catch Alonso (Hamilton if he didn't have problems with 3rd gear) but never the Red Bulls. All they would of done is just of gone quicker if they needed to at anytime.

[FRAFPDD]

I think that last year Webber dominated in Brazil and Vettel dominated at Yas Marina....so the only variable is Korea

well i think that your bias is clouding your vision lol

The cars change every year i think....Didnt Hamilton qualify pole in Yas Marina, only to suffer nechanical problems. Didnt Vettel have like 3 poles last season, hasnt he had like 9 so far this season. Last years performance means nothing, i thought that was basic knowledge amongst F1 fans, look at the CURRENT car/driver characteristics compared to the track characteristics is how you judge things.

Nope....not buying any of that sorry.

Lewis did get pole at Yas Marina...agreed. But frankly, anyone with any F1 sense could not possibly state that "Red Bull's advantage is over" on the day they just cruised to a one-two in Suzuka.

Youve misquoted me? i said Red Bulls HUGE advtange is now over, dont twist/edit quotes to support your argument. Red Bulls huge advantage is definitely over, they didnt even dominate qualifying, a 1-2 yes, but Hamilton was right with their times. On a track he hardly had any run time at, and Red Bull may as well of built that track to specification.

[FRAFPDD]

If i had to pick three tracks that red bull would dominate thi year suzuka would be one of them, and i dont know about you, but finishing hardly ahead of Alonso, and being done over for fastest laps several times by Hamilton, I think its safe to say that at the next three tracks, with less flowing corners, Red Bull really are going to have to fight for the win. Its suprising how much they can ramble on in the tv coverage about the same thing, and not mention how Red Bull were nowhere near Hungary dominace level. The start two straights at korea, the small windy section and two big straights in brazil, and the three straights in abu dhabi means that there may still be a bit to go for webber or vettel to win the title...

You don't know what you are talking about. Red Bull had Suzuka under full control. They were always going to stay one and two. Why would they go faster and risk crashing or car problems for. Alonso caught them but they were not going their fastest. Alonso was never going to pass the Red Bulls. As for McLaren, the best they would of done was catch Alonso (Hamilton if he didn't have problems with 3rd gear) but never the Red Bulls. All they would of done is just of gone quicker if they needed to at anytime.

Oh god antoher ones done it, dont worry i shall repeat my previous post to hounddub to you, Nobody here said it wasnt under control, nobody here said Red Bulls advatange is gone, what was said was that their HUGE advatange is now gone, are you telling me suzuka tells otherwise, a driver with 15 laps under his belt in a Mclaren was posting faster times then those with a car that was made for the track. Did you get up early enough to see qualifying, did you see how close Hamilton was to both the red bulls times. Their HUGE advatange is gone for definite, they can "easily" win the remaining races, but it isnt going to be so easy for them, the remaining tracks arent custom built to the RB's strengths.


Oh yeah and you both failed to spot the "Looks like" in my thread title, it definitely looked that way today.

[AKR]

If i had to pick three tracks that red bull would dominate thi year suzuka would be one of them, and i dont know about you, but finishing hardly ahead of Alonso, and being done over for fastest laps several times by Hamilton, I think its safe to say that at the next three tracks, with less flowing corners, Red Bull really are going to have to fight for the win. Its suprising how much they can ramble on in the tv coverage about the same thing, and not mention how Red Bull were nowhere near Hungary dominace level. The start two straights at korea, the small windy section and two big straights in brazil, and the three straights in abu dhabi means that there may still be a bit to go for webber or vettel to win the title...

You don't know what you are talking about. Red Bull had Suzuka under full control. They were always going to stay one and two. Why would they go faster and risk crashing or car problems for. Alonso caught them but they were not going their fastest. Alonso was never going to pass the Red Bulls. As for McLaren, the best they would of done was catch Alonso (Hamilton if he didn't have problems with 3rd gear) but never the Red Bulls. All they would of done is just of gone quicker if they needed to at anytime.

Oh god antoher ones done it, dont worry i shall repeat my previous post to hounddub to you, Nobody here said it wasnt under control, nobody here said Red Bulls advatange is gone, what was said was that their HUGE advatange is now gone, are you telling me suzuka tells otherwise, a driver with 15 laps under his belt in a Mclaren was posting faster times then those with a car that was made for the track. Did you get up early enough to see qualifying, did you see how close Hamilton was to both the red bulls times. Their HUGE advatange is gone for definite, they can "easily" win the remaining races, but it isnt going to be so easy for them, the remaining tracks arent custom built to the RB's strengths.


Oh yeah and you both failed to spot the "Looks like" in my thread title, it definitely looked that way today.

I watched the qualyfing and I don't remember it. Read my comment in the "You Know if you are an F1 fan if" and you'll know why. Judging from the race in Suzuka, if this is an idication of Red Bulls pace, then both Ferrari or McLaren have no chance. And by the way didn't Webber get the fastest lap? As I said you before the Red Bulls were only doing what was required, and that was to win the race and get second place as well. To get fastest lap after fastest lap for no reason is stupid in anyone's books.

[FRAFPDD]

If i had to pick three tracks that red bull would dominate thi year suzuka would be one of them, and i dont know about you, but finishing hardly ahead of Alonso, and being done over for fastest laps several times by Hamilton, I think its safe to say that at the next three tracks, with less flowing corners, Red Bull really are going to have to fight for the win. Its suprising how much they can ramble on in the tv coverage about the same thing, and not mention how Red Bull were nowhere near Hungary dominace level. The start two straights at korea, the small windy section and two big straights in brazil, and the three straights in abu dhabi means that there may still be a bit to go for webber or vettel to win the title...

You don't know what you are talking about. Red Bull had Suzuka under full control. They were always going to stay one and two. Why would they go faster and risk crashing or car problems for. Alonso caught them but they were not going their fastest. Alonso was never going to pass the Red Bulls. As for McLaren, the best they would of done was catch Alonso (Hamilton if he didn't have problems with 3rd gear) but never the Red Bulls. All they would of done is just of gone quicker if they needed to at anytime.

Oh god antoher ones done it, dont worry i shall repeat my previous post to hounddub to you, Nobody here said it wasnt under control, nobody here said Red Bulls advatange is gone, what was said was that their HUGE advatange is now gone, are you telling me suzuka tells otherwise, a driver with 15 laps under his belt in a Mclaren was posting faster times then those with a car that was made for the track. Did you get up early enough to see qualifying, did you see how close Hamilton was to both the red bulls times. Their HUGE advatange is gone for definite, they can "easily" win the remaining races, but it isnt going to be so easy for them, the remaining tracks arent custom built to the RB's strengths.


Oh yeah and you both failed to spot the "Looks like" in my thread title, it definitely looked that way today.

I watched the qualyfing and I don't remember it. Read my comment in the "You Know if you are an F1 fan if" and you'll know why. Judging from the race in Suzuka, if this is an idication of Red Bulls pace, then both Ferrari or McLaren have no chance. And by the way didn't Webber get the fastest lap? As I said you before the Red Bulls were only doing what was required, and that was to win the race and get second place as well. To get fastest lap after fastest lap for no reason is stupid in anyone's books.

Yes webber did get fastest lap, didnt Hamilton get about 3 in the race, before his gearbox packed in, thats not bigging up Lewis, thats talking down Red Bull, at a track like Suzuka they should have got dibs on all fastest laps, Hamilton managed a few of them before problems arose. Thats not even the main point, all the commentators (people who know what they are talkng about generally) said that singapore and monza wouldnt show how much FIA tests hampered Red Bulls pace, we waited and suzuka came, and what ahve we seen, that at a track that suits them more then about 17 on the calendder, they couldnt establish a "hungary-like" lead on third place Alonso(who was in a car that didnt suit the track) Ive given you more then enough evidence to make a valid point havent i?

[spankyham]

The Susuka result is as good as an early Xmas present for Ferrari. Not only did Fernando achieve a podium, but, Red Bull had the chance to completely wrap up both the WDC and WCC this weekend and didn't.

The big prize (WCC) is in Red Bull hands, that was 90+% assured on Singapore. But, they could have secured the WDC this race - but didn't. A team result for Red Bull would have them leading the WDC by 21 - a mere 4 points shy of a complete race lead. With 3 races to go, an almost insurmountable lead.

Instead, Fernando is only 14 points behind and his chances to win are still alive. What's more, we have 3 races where not only are RB, McLaren and Ferrari close in performance, you also have the likes of Kubica/Renault and a fast improving Williams and Mercedes that could also take points away from the 3 main contenders. And make no mistake, in my opinion, RB's advantage has been reduced to "insignificant". Fernando paced the whole race with them, as did Lewis (until his 3rd gear problem) and Jenson.

There may be celebrations at Red Bull tonight, but their might be bigger celebrations on the red side

[AKR]

If i had to pick three tracks that red bull would dominate thi year suzuka would be one of them, and i dont know about you, but finishing hardly ahead of Alonso, and being done over for fastest laps several times by Hamilton, I think its safe to say that at the next three tracks, with less flowing corners, Red Bull really are going to have to fight for the win. Its suprising how much they can ramble on in the tv coverage about the same thing, and not mention how Red Bull were nowhere near Hungary dominace level. The start two straights at korea, the small windy section and two big straights in brazil, and the three straights in abu dhabi means that there may still be a bit to go for webber or vettel to win the title...

You don't know what you are talking about. Red Bull had Suzuka under full control. They were always going to stay one and two. Why would they go faster and risk crashing or car problems for. Alonso caught them but they were not going their fastest. Alonso was never going to pass the Red Bulls. As for McLaren, the best they would of done was catch Alonso (Hamilton if he didn't have problems with 3rd gear) but never the Red Bulls. All they would of done is just of gone quicker if they needed to at anytime.

Oh god antoher ones done it, dont worry i shall repeat my previous post to hounddub to you, Nobody here said it wasnt under control, nobody here said Red Bulls advatange is gone, what was said was that their HUGE advatange is now gone, are you telling me suzuka tells otherwise, a driver with 15 laps under his belt in a Mclaren was posting faster times then those with a car that was made for the track. Did you get up early enough to see qualifying, did you see how close Hamilton was to both the red bulls times. Their HUGE advatange is gone for definite, they can "easily" win the remaining races, but it isnt going to be so easy for them, the remaining tracks arent custom built to the RB's strengths.


Oh yeah and you both failed to spot the "Looks like" in my thread title, it definitely looked that way today.

I watched the qualyfing and I don't remember it. Read my comment in the "You Know if you are an F1 fan if" and you'll know why. Judging from the race in Suzuka, if this is an idication of Red Bulls pace, then both Ferrari or McLaren have no chance. And by the way didn't Webber get the fastest lap? As I said you before the Red Bulls were only doing what was required, and that was to win the race and get second place as well. To get fastest lap after fastest lap for no reason is stupid in anyone's books.

Yes webber did get fastest lap, didnt Hamilton get about 3 in the race, before his gearbox packed in, thats not bigging up Lewis, thats talking down Red Bull, at a track like Suzuka they should have got dibs on all fastest laps, Hamilton managed a few of them before problems arose. Thats not even the main point, all the commentators (people who know what they are talkng about generally) said that singapore and monza wouldnt show how much FIA tests hampered Red Bulls pace, we waited and suzuka came, and what ahve we seen, that at a track that suits them more then about 17 on the calendder, they couldnt establish a "hungary-like" lead on third place Alonso(who was in a car that didnt suit the track) Ive given you more then enough evidence to make a valid point havent i?

Hamilton pulled a few fastest laps before his gearbox had problems when Button was holding up the 2 Red Bulls which also allowed Alonso to close up the gap. The Red Bulls were waiting for Button to pit as once again trying to pass him on the track would of been silly. Once Button pitted and the Red Bulls were in full control of the race, they only went at the pace required to stay there as Alonso never posed a threat. I'm sorry to say but Red Bull won this easily.

[Herbs]

Red Bull had quite a lot in reserve today, to suggest otherwise is wishful thinking.

[ivey]

It's just that Suzuka was pretty much an ideal circuit for Red Bull if we look at this season. The gaps in qualifying weren't so big and there was a lot of fastest lap tradings during race.

has anyone else noticed that in the middle of the season, Red Bull could have a 0.5 second advantage in Q but in race they would be on the same pace. Now in Singapore and Suzuka their qualifying results haven't been so spectacular as they were, but their race pace is very very good. Webber topped Lewis in Singapore and today they couldn't be touched.

[Hammer278]

The Safety Car was holding them up for the first 6 laps. I remember comparing the times between the leading Redbull and the leading McLaren at Lap 12, it was 6 seconds. That would be a second a lap or almost?

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd fancy a freakin 1 second per lap advantage over the rest of my competitors!

FRAF, maybe you're being misguided thinking of Hungary. They looked insane at that track, and that track alone. I believe their developments have carried them well over the year but in Hungary they were borderline cheating with a very flexi wing. The more stringent rules cut of half a second or so, but not more. This is pure Adrian Newey pace we saw in Suzuka.