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[peters877]

[b]This sport is getting to soft for my liking. Drivers complain if they are stuck behind slower cars. Drivers complain about their team mates driving to slow, so illegal descions are made in order for them to move over. Defensive driving is crititsised and penalised by former F1 drivers who were bloody rubbish at the sport when they were racing, so what gives them the right to penalise someone elses driving.
It`s about time this sport went back to earlier days, just man an machine. None of this duct crap, paddle shifting , electronic gizmos. Basic car, good old manual gearbox, get rid of blue overtaking flags, if your a good driver then you should be able to overtake the slower cars, not for them to pull over, thats not racing. Bring back re-fuelling .
Alonso is a moaner
Hamilton is a moaner
Barrichello is a moaner
They all want it their way.
They are paid millions to race, so get out there an race or go and play tennis or something.

[vaptin]

It's because their so desperate to win they moan so strongly when they're not.

[myownalias]

Although I understand your frustrations; I agree with them to a certain extent; F1 can not go back to those days because of the safety implications. I do believe that we need to take a step back in time; back the late 80s/early 90s to get back to real racing where cars could follow each other through fast corners and make the overtaking move, flat floors, wider cars; bigger wings instead of the stupid format they have in modern F1! As for Barrichello, I think he has good reason to whine when he had to play #2 to Schumacher all those years, if he was in the lead and Schumacher second, he had to move over and allow Schumacher to win as seen in Hungary 2002.

[Juliet P]

Ah, yes, the good old days, when 45 drivers died at the wheel in as many years (not even counting fatalities of marshalls and spectators). That's an average of one fatality per year. And you want to go back?? Which of the current crop of F1 drivers would you be happy to sacrifice this year in order to prove that they're as 'hard' as their predecessors?

Muppet.

[vindicator86]

Defensive driving is crititsised and penalised by former F1 drivers who were bloody rubbish at the sport when they were racing, so what gives them the right to penalise someone elses driving.

If your referring to the Barrichello/Schumacher thing, there's defensive driving and there's crossing the line, once Rubens was alongside he didnt need to keep moving to the right.

It`s about time this sport went back to earlier days, just man an machine. None of this duct crap, paddle shifting , electronic gizmos. Basic car, good old manual gearbox, get rid of blue overtaking flags, if your a good driver then you should be able to overtake the slower cars, not for them to pull over, thats not racing. Bring back re-fuelling .

I agree about the manual gears but things like the f - duct are innovative which f1 has always been about, even in the earlier days you refer to. I think the blue flags should stay, whats to stop a backmarker blocking one drive and allowing another driver passed.

Alonso is a moaner
Hamilton is a moaner
Barrichello is a moaner
They all want it their way.
They are paid millions to race, so get out there an race or go and play tennis or something.

Of course they want it their way, this isnt driving miss daisy!

[pilotfriend]

I actually drove GP cars in the days when they were front engined, no roll bar and deadly in an accident. You have to be joking to suggest that we return to such cars. They were terrifying.

[vaptin]

Although, I think it'd be nice if the FIA stopped stamping on innovation so much.

[kerc]

Ah, the art of trolling.

[What's Burning?]

must be modern art.

[myownalias]

Ah, the art of trolling.

Not really, I think the OP has a valid point, every driver is afraid of making overtaking moves because of the fear of being penalised if it goes wrong, how many times did we see Damon Hill and Michael Schumacher collide trying to overtake each during the '94, '95 seasons, which no action taken, although Adelaide '94 was blatant cheating!

kerc; if this thread doesn't interest you; don't post; your comment adds nothing to the thread!

[thechainrule]

Ah, the art of trolling.

Not really, I think the OP has a valid point, every driver is afraid of making overtaking moves because of the fear of being penalised if it goes wrong, how many times did we see Damon Hill and Michael Schumacher collide trying to overtake each during the '94, '95 seasons, which no action taken, although Adelaide '94 was blatant cheating!

kerc; if this thread doesn't interest you; don't post; your comment adds nothing to the thread!

every driver except one. Hell he'll over take the safety car given the chance.

[Ineluke]

[b]This sport is getting to soft for my liking. Drivers complain if they are stuck behind slower cars. Drivers complain about their team mates driving to slow, so illegal descions are made in order for them to move over. Defensive driving is crititsised and penalised by former F1 drivers who were bloody rubbish at the sport when they were racing, so what gives them the right to penalise someone elses driving.
It`s about time this sport went back to earlier days, just man an machine. None of this duct crap, paddle shifting , electronic gizmos. Basic car, good old manual gearbox, get rid of blue overtaking flags, if your a good driver then you should be able to overtake the slower cars, not for them to pull over, thats not racing. Bring back re-fuelling .
Alonso is a moaner
Hamilton is a moaner
Barrichello is a moaner
,They all want it their way.
They are paid millions to race, so get out there an race or go and play tennis or something.

What a load of rubbish,the only one on that list who is a moaner is Alonso. Putting Lewis in the same class for moaning just shows that you really are talking bullpoo. Lewis is one of the least moaners on the grid,he goes out and races 100% no matter how the car is, he does not make pathetic excuses week in and week out like Jenson Button. You really think Lewis and Alonso don't go out there and race, lol you really don't know what you are talking about. Who has the most overtakes this season,go on take a guess. Troll thred if ever their was one,perhaps you need to go watch tennis.

[hesketh308]

I agree that it should just go back to one driver, a wheel, three pedals and a gear stick

But i think the car designs just simply wont go back to how they were. The understanding of aerodynamics has progressed so much that you will always get teams working away to bend the rules so they can fit extra little wings or whatever on the cars.

But scrapping the whole aero departments of the teams would save a huge amount of money (and energy or whatever BS those enviro-friendly idiots say) at the expense of lap times.

That way you'd have to hire a driver based on............talent not the amount of funding they will bring to the team.

[myownalias]

Lewis is one of the least moaners on the grid,he goes out and races 100% no matter how the car is, he does not make pathetic excuses week in and week out like Jenson Button.

There's the rose tinted glasses view again, Lewis has done his fair share of moaning this season; especially early season when Jenson was getting the better results. Frankly most of the drivers on the grid these days are primadonnas, too much complaining about things they cannot change and not enough racing.

[kerc]

Ah, the art of trolling.

Not really, I think the OP has a valid point, every driver is afraid of making overtaking moves because of the fear of being penalised if it goes wrong, how many times did we see Damon Hill and Michael Schumacher collide trying to overtake each during the '94, '95 seasons, which no action taken, although Adelaide '94 was blatant cheating!

kerc; if this thread doesn't interest you; don't post; your comment adds nothing to the thread!

Then the problem is not the drivers, but the FIA. And please, don't tell me where to post...Thanks.