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By scotty
#181412
Teams agree to points system tweak

By Jonathan Noble Monday, January 25th 2010, 11:36 GMT

Formula 1 has edged closer to a further overhaul of its points structure for the 2010 season after teams approved a new system that will offer greater rewards for winning, AUTOSPORT can reveal.

Just more than one month after the old 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 system was replaced with a MotoGP-type format (25-20-15-10-8-6-5-3-2-1), sources have revealed a meeting of F1 think tank the Sporting Working Group in London on Friday approved a further overhaul to reward more for race wins.

Rather than there being a five points different between first and second, teams agreed to expand that difference to seven points - with further tweaks to the points taking place lower down the order.

The new points structure approved by the SWG is: 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1.

The matter still needs to be approved by next month's meeting of the Formula 1 Commission before the FIA World Motor Sport Council can put it into the 2010 regulations, but this is likely to be a formality with teams already having voted in favour of the changes.

Although yet another change to the regulations is not ideal for F1, especially after such fanfare in December at the first amendment, Red Bull Racing team principal Christian Horner is adamant that the sport should always be ready to put its hands up if it thinks things are wrong.

He also believed a greater points gap between first and second would provide greater motivation for drivers to fight harder for the win.

"I think you should never be afraid of change so long as it is a change for the better," he told AUTOSPORT ahead of the SWG meeting.

"And I think that what the points are trying to be designed to do are first of all - to generate a pecking order perhaps lower down in the top ten - so that with the points going down to 10th place there is reward for a top ten finish.

"But I think also one of the factors that Bernie is keen to look at is perhaps having a heavier weight between first, second and third, so there is more emphasis that rather than drivers cruising and collecting points, that they have to go for it.

"It is not because drivers don't want to take the risk, but if the points difference between a win and second is two points it is not the end of the world, whereas if it is a significant number then it adds motivation for the drivers to push each other very hard."

AUTOSPORT understands that the SWG also discussed the idea of awarding points for pole position or fastest lap, but neither of these concepts were agreed.

The SWG also talked at length about the possibility of introducing a rule that would force drivers to make two mandatory pit stops during a race, but this was not approved either. F1 drivers will therefore only need to make a single pit-stop in 2010 so as to ensure that they run on both types of tyres made available.


This is a bit better i think, especially with the change further down the order. I always thought the 6-5-4-3-2-1 sequence was stupid.

Mandatory pitstops can get lost though.
#181424
I like it its better they encourage winning rather than settling for 2nd. :D

:yes:
#181436
i think it may be a bit too much between first and second, but if it makes for better racing then so be it. i think that the refuelling ban will have a better effect on it than the points. no more gaining places through strategy, or not as much anyway.
#181455
This looks like a good way to do it. Now let's lock in this system - for a few years at the very least.
#181584
This is one of those things I feel should have never been changed. It has worked well for many years, and through seasons with just as many teams, so why change it? Last season you could really appreciate the value of a single point, this year a single point means nothing, I hate it.
#181588
Going for the win gets the rewards even more. has to be good!!
#181594
This is one of those things I feel should have never been changed. It has worked well for many years, and through seasons with just as many teams, so why change it? Last season you could really appreciate the value of a single point, this year a single point means nothing, I hate it.


Ah, but at least now the tailenders will still at least have a chance at points... some teams barely got any even with the top 8 system and a 20 car grid... when it was the top 6 and the massive 30 car grids, some teams wouldn't have the faintest hope of scoring any points for seasons on end!
#181601
Precisely!


I do see where you are coming from, i remember a race where Minardi scored and it was incredible cause it hadn't happened for years... :P

However, i doubt teams would stick around without a decent incentive these days, and i'd rather have a full grid personally.
#181607
Precisely!


I do see where you are coming from, i remember a race where Minardi scored and it was incredible cause it hadn't happened for years... :P

However, i doubt teams would stick around without a decent incentive these days, and i'd rather have a full grid personally.


You imply that teams would leave because they were not getting any or enough points, but even if you gave points to every single car on the grid, teams would still leave because of poor performance and insufficient funding, not because they don't get enough points. Would we have thought any better of Super Aguri in 2007 because they scored 12 points instead of 4? No, they would have still been in 9th place in the constructors championship. It is not the FIA's job to make teams feel good about themselves, if a bad team can't handle not getting points, they simply shouldn't be there.

Watching Force India get their first points last year was really special, but had they been using the new points system, they would have received their first point in their 4th race, how special is that?
#181614
Precisely!


I do see where you are coming from, i remember a race where Minardi scored and it was incredible cause it hadn't happened for years... :P

However, i doubt teams would stick around without a decent incentive these days, and i'd rather have a full grid personally.


You imply that teams would leave because they were not getting any or enough points, but even if you gave points to every single car on the grid, teams would still leave because of poor performance and insufficient funding, not because they don't get enough points. Would we have thought any better of Super Aguri in 2007 because they scored 12 points instead of 4? No, they would have still been in 9th place in the constructors championship. It is not the FIA's job to make teams feel good about themselves, if a bad team can't handle not getting points, they simply shouldn't be there.

Watching Force India get their first points last year was really special, but had they been using the new points system, they would have received their first point in their 4th race, how special is that?


It's ironic that you say that "Last season you could really appreciate the value of a single point" where the proportion of race starters to points paying finishes is actually higher than it will be next year (ie 20 into 8 compared to 26 into 10).... And i was actually implying that teams were leaving (in part at least) because they only ever had the slightest chance of a freak race allowing them the opportunity of points. And this problem was the same for half the teams on the grid, not just the absolutely crap backmarkers. What i am saying is that it's good that teams have half a chance to get a point on merit rather than basically having to luck into them as what happened when we last had 26 car grids. I think it's hardly reasonable to argue that points are just being given out left right and centre without any thought with this new system.
#181615
Well put scotty and I approve of the extended points system. Simply put it will help the lower finishing teams and the new teams, that no one is giving any chance at all at scoring points, to do so and the financial rewards reaped from those points will help those teams a great deal.
#181619
I also think the argument that the higher difference in points will mean for more exiting racing up front is ridiculous. I have not watched F1 for as long as some of you but I struggle to remember a time when the 2nd place car that had a chance to win just sat back and settled for 2nd instead of fighting for 1st. If they have a chance, they always fight for first, nothing is going to change now that 1st is worth more points. It also throws consistent results out the window, someone who comes in 3rd 3 races in a row will still have less points than someone who won 2 races and didn't even finish the 3rd. This is just going to put more power into the hands of the powerhouses like Ferrari and Mercedes.

texasmr2, I fail to see how lower budget teams will benefit financially from this, as I understand it the prize money is simply spread out more now, so yes the 9th and 10th place teams will receive something, but it won't be much. I would be interested to hear your argument however if this is not the case.

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