Drivers vote for the best ever

Drivers vote for the best ever#173946

By McLaren - 11 Dec 09, 23:02

- 11 Dec 09, 23:02#173946

The views of 217 world championship drivers with over 9000 starts between them and over 270 victories.The top 10 was as follows :

10.G.Villenueve
9.Alonso
8.Moss
7.Lauda
6.Stewart
5.Clark
4.Prost
3.Fangio
2.Schumacher
1.Senna

Can't really see how Moss and Alonso are in there myself but there you go.

Re: Drivers vote for the best ever#173951

By Bruno_Brazil - 11 Dec 09, 23:42

- 11 Dec 09, 23:42#173951

Alonso better than Piquet?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

" And suddenly I realized that I was no longer driving the car consciously. I was driving it by a kind of instinct, only I was in a different dimension. "Senna, Ayrton.

Re: Drivers vote for the best ever#173955

By cap-dude - 11 Dec 09, 23:53

- 11 Dec 09, 23:53#173955

Certainly says a lot for those drivers then. Also interesting that double and triple world champions aren't there, yet two drivers with no championships to their names are there.

Personally I'd have Clark at the top (but thats just me) Clark was an amazing guy, with an astonishing record. A small fact I heard was that he only ever had 3 spins in his F1 career. Impressive to say the very least.

Re: Drivers vote for the best ever#173960

By Jenson's Beard - 12 Dec 09, 01:00

- 12 Dec 09, 01:00#173960

Fair enough Stirling being in there, but I think Alonso is a bit premature. Maybe in five years.

G'wan Jense

Re: Drivers vote for the best ever#173962

By AKR - 12 Dec 09, 05:37

- 12 Dec 09, 05:37#173962

Schumacher is really the best, with Senna second.

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Re: Drivers vote for the best ever#173966

By Amanda - 12 Dec 09, 06:58

- 12 Dec 09, 06:58#173966

I think I'm missing something when it comes to Gilles Villenueve. Was he really that good? Better than Piquet, Hakkinen, G Hill etc.?

"In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane."
~ Oscar Wilde

Re: Drivers vote for the best ever#173969

By darwin dali - 12 Dec 09, 07:50

- 12 Dec 09, 07:50#173969

I think I'm missing something when it comes to Gilles Villenueve. Was he really that good? Better than Piquet, Hakkinen, G Hill etc.?

As with AS it's got a lot to do with his mythical status due to his death in my opinion.

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Re: Drivers vote for the best ever#173970

By Amanda - 12 Dec 09, 08:21

- 12 Dec 09, 08:21#173970

I think I'm missing something when it comes to Gilles Villenueve. Was he really that good? Better than Piquet, Hakkinen, G Hill etc.?

As with AS it's got a lot to do with his mythical status due to his death in my opinion.

Senna I can understand, he really was a great driver and a multiple world champion so he deserves to be on the list. The order of the top few drivers is always going to be down to personal preference but the lists usually features the same people, in whatever order. I just find it odd that people question Alonso's position and yet Gilles' place is undisputed.

"In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane."
~ Oscar Wilde

Re: Drivers vote for the best ever#173971

By McLaren - 12 Dec 09, 08:45

- 12 Dec 09, 08:45#173971

I think I'm missing something when it comes to Gilles Villenueve. Was he really that good? Better than Piquet, Hakkinen, G Hill etc.?

As with AS it's got a lot to do with his mythical status due to his death in my opinion.

Senna I can understand, he really was a great driver and a multiple world champion so he deserves to be on the list. The order of the top few drivers is always going to be down to personal preference but the lists usually features the same people, in whatever order. I just find it odd that people question Alonso's position and yet Gilles' place is undisputed.

I would guess it's more to do with Gilles style of driving and the fact the was a total nutter.If you raced against him it was probly a case of you could see just how quick he was.
Most of these polls are normally biased to the latest generation hense why I think Alonso is in there.I would of thought Clark would of been a bit higher myself.

1>40#173975

By Bruno_Brazil - 12 Dec 09, 09:55

- 12 Dec 09, 09:55#173975

1º. Ayrton Senna (BRA)
2º. Michael Schumacher (ALE)
3º. Juan Manuel Fangio (ARG)
4º. Alain Prost (FRA)
5º. Jim Clark (ESC)
6º. Jackie Stewart (ESC)
7º. Niki Lauda (AUT)
8º. Stirling Moss (ING)
9º. Fernando Alonso (ESP)
10º. Gilles Villeneuve (CAN)
11º. Nigel Mansell (ING)
12º. Emerson Fittipaldi (BRA)
13º. Nelson Piquet (BRA)
14º. Jochen Rindt (AUT)
15º. Mika Hakkinen (FIN)
16º. Alberto Ascari (ITA)
17º. Lewis Hamilton (ING)
18º. Jack Brabham (AUS)
19º. Ronnie Peterson (SUE)
20º. Mario Andretti (EUA)
21º. Graham Hill (ING)
22º. Kimi Raikkonen (FIN)
23º. John Surtees (ING)
24º. James Hunt (ING)
25º. Keke Rosberg (FIN)
26º. Sebastian Vettel (ALE)
27º. Jose Froilán González (ARG)
28º. Dan Gurney (EUA)
29º. François Cèvert (FRA)
30º. Jenson Button (ING)
31º. Alan Jones (AUS)
32º. Giuseppe Farina (ITA)
33º. Phil Hill (EUA)
34º. Carlos Reutemann (ARG)
35º. Stefan Bellof (ALE)
36º. Clay Regazzoni (SUI)
37º. Gerhard Berger (AUT)
38º. Jean Behra (FRA)
39º. Riccardo Patrese (ITA)
40º. Jacky Ickx (BEL)

My points:

1 - Ayrton Senna (BRA) -
2 - Michael Schumacher (ALE) -
3 - Juan Manuel Fangio (ARG) -
4 - Alain Prost (FRA) -
5 - Jim Clark (ING) - underrated
6 - Jackie Stewart (ESC) -
7 - Niki Lauda (AUT) -
8 - Stirling Moss (ING) -
9 - Fernando Alonso (ESP) - overrated
10 - Gilles Villeneuve (CAN) - overrated
11 - Nigel Mansell (ING) - overrated
12 - Emerson Fittipaldi (BRA) - underrated
13 - Nelson Piquet (BRA) - underrated
14 - Jochen Rindt (AUT) -
15 - Mika Hakkinen (FIN) - underrated
16 - Alberto Ascari (ITA) - underrated
17 - Lewis Hamilton (ING) - overrated
18 - Jack Brabham (AUS) - underrated
19 - Ronnie Peterson (SUE) - overrated
20 - Mario Andretti (EUA) - underrated

- I agree with Amanda as for Gilles. If Clark died driving a F1 car, he would be the 1st.

" And suddenly I realized that I was no longer driving the car consciously. I was driving it by a kind of instinct, only I was in a different dimension. "Senna, Ayrton.

Re: Drivers vote for the best ever#173976

By Bruno_Brazil - 12 Dec 09, 09:58

- 12 Dec 09, 09:58#173976

Ahhh...another BIGGG mistake:

Where are alesi, fisichella, frentzen, irvine, barrichello, etc in this list?

" And suddenly I realized that I was no longer driving the car consciously. I was driving it by a kind of instinct, only I was in a different dimension. "Senna, Ayrton.

Re: 1>40#173977

By scotty - 12 Dec 09, 09:58

- 12 Dec 09, 09:58#173977

11 - Nigel Mansell (ING) - overrated
13 - Nelson Piquet (BRA) - underrated

Rising number one of Formula 1, Juan - Juan, one wonders should Juan only win one Formula 1 one year, would Juan have won that one in round one, Juan??

Re: Drivers vote for the best ever#173978

By racechick - 12 Dec 09, 10:02

- 12 Dec 09, 10:02#173978

Well they got the top one right but there were some wierd anomolies further down the list. I gues drivers will have voted for drivers who were around in their own era. Here a a few of the wierd results i noticed

Webber joint 76th while Vettel was 26th???

Massa 59th with zanardi at 57th????

Robert Kubica at43rd with Damon Hill behind him at 45th??? Oh and Jaques Villeneuve above them both at 41st :yikes:

Those were the ones that kind of jumped out at me, there were lots more

Out of interest Lewis came in 17th

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Re: Drivers vote for the best ever#173979

By racechick - 12 Dec 09, 10:06

- 12 Dec 09, 10:06#173979

Ahhh...another BIGGG mistake:

Where are alesi, fisichella, frentzen, irvine, barrichello, etc in this list?

Alesi was 42nd
Irvine joint 76th
Cany see Fisi , frentzen or barichelo in there
There you go again, no Barrichello yet Button at 30th

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
Abe Lincoln

Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln

Re: Drivers vote for the best ever#173983

By Bruno_Brazil - 12 Dec 09, 10:49

- 12 Dec 09, 10:49#173983

Ahhh...another BIGGG mistake:

Where are alesi, fisichella, frentzen, irvine, barrichello, etc in this list?

Alesi was 42nd
Irvine joint 76th
Cany see Fisi , frentzen or barichelo in there
There you go again, no Barrichello yet Button at 30th

Hold on, aren't you saying that RB should be higher than JB, are you?

- I agree with you when you say that drivers voted based on what they saw...
That's why we have some gaffes in this list.
For example, I'm pretty sure that plenty of people from this forum have more knowledge about F1 than Jaime Alguersuari...

" And suddenly I realized that I was no longer driving the car consciously. I was driving it by a kind of instinct, only I was in a different dimension. "Senna, Ayrton.

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