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By scotty
#169792
Toyota's completed 2010 Formula One car, the TF110, is reportedly available for purchase by other teams.

The French newspaper Le Parisien said that despite the Japanese manufacturer deciding to pull out of F1 immediately, its Cologne-based team had completed the design for next season.

USF1 and Manor would be the most likely potential customers, given that fellow new entrant Lotus is working with Aerolab on its 2010 car, and the Dallara-built Campos chassis has already passed its front and lateral FIA crash tests.

Meanwhile, development of Sauber/Qadbak's car has been continuous despite BMW's withdrawal, and although Toro Rosso must for the first time be a full constructor in 2010, work on the Faenza-based team's next car is well advanced.

It is also believed that the car design of the rejected 2010 entrant Lola is for sale, after a 50% scale wind tunnel model dubbed the MB-01 was revealed recently.


Interesting... :scratchchin: Any smart new team would be getting their hands on that asap and start working on tweaking the design to fit the Cossie engine.
#169812
I think if I was a new team I would rather build my own slow car, at least then you would understand why things are like they are.

Lets face it, it would be like copying in an exam of an F grade student
#169824
itd give you a very good headstart on the others,

but it would feel like cheating if you were an fair person

so i wouldnt, but this is f1, and theres money..........
#169825
itd give you a very good headstart on the others,

but it would feel like cheating if you were an fair person

so i wouldnt, but this is f1, and theres money..........

And it wouldn't be surprising if Toyota spent a lot of it on this car.

The car might be good initially, but just like Brawn this year, everybody else will catch up eventually and there will come a point when building your own car would be better in the long run.
#169889
I think the larger problem than feeling like cheating is that you wouldn't know the ins and outs of your own car. That would make developing it and then evolving it for 2011 very hard.
#169903
I'm not sure if using this design would be a good idea who knows how well developed it is and the teams need to develop the skills for designing a car. Fans and sponsors won't be expecting to much from the new teams in their first season but will be expecting more in the second. The plans could be used as a benchmark for what they need to be aiming for.
By Gaz
#169933
itd give you a very good headstart on the others,

but it would feel like cheating if you were an fair person

so i wouldnt, but this is f1, and theres money..........

And it wouldn't be surprising if Toyota spent a lot of it on this car.

The car might be good initially, but just like Brawn this year, everybody else will catch up eventually and there will come a point when building your own car would be better in the long run.


Who's to stay they can't develop the existing Toyota car i mean if you were going to buy it i'd get a few engineers + designers from Toyota too.

It will be Manor who buy this USF1 seam to "proud"
#169939
I think the larger problem than feeling like cheating is that you wouldn't know the ins and outs of your own car. That would make developing it and then evolving it for 2011 very hard.


Good point - maybe if they could hire the designer from Toyota too it would be pretty viable, assuming Toyota haven't given them a new position already...
#169943
Or they could get Nigel Stepney to sneak into Toyota's HQ and steal the 2010 Toyota's blueprints so the teams will be able to understand the car even more. :P
#169965
Wow I'm surprised some teams haven't come out and ruled against this. :confused:

The current teams probably don't see the Toyota chassis as much of threat in 2010 so aren't going to waste time blocking such a move!
By Gaz
#169968
Wow I'm surprised some teams haven't come out and ruled against this. :confused:

The current teams probably don't see the Toyota chassis as much of threat in 2010 so aren't going to waste time blocking such a move!


And its not a customer car so there's nothing in the rules against it.

Lotus and Campos are doing the same thing by getting others to build the cars.
#169969
Wow I'm surprised some teams haven't come out and ruled against this. :confused:

The current teams probably don't see the Toyota chassis as much of threat in 2010 so aren't going to waste time blocking such a move!


Yeah but I can see some teams, *cough* *cough* *Williams* *cough* blocking the new teams from using it?


Wouldn't it be funny if a new team bought the designs and did a Brawn next year? :hehe:
#169982


Wouldn't it be funny if a new team bought the designs and did a Brawn next year? :hehe:

Unlikely, but yeah... :hehe:

Toyata would be pissed

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