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From autosport.com:

By Jonathan Noble and Gerhard Kuntschik Tuesday, August 25th 2009, 09:27 GMT

Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, European GPRed Bull Racing has revealed it will decide within a matter of days which engine it will run with in Formula 1 next year, with it hinting that Renault reliability issues could well sway it to switch to Mercedes-Benz.

As AUTOSPORT exclusively revealed in April, Red Bull Racing has been chasing a Mercedes-Benz deal for 2010, and its hopes of a deal were boosted earlier this year when F1's rules were changed to allow manufacturers to supply up to four teams.

And although it appeared over the summer break that Renault was back in the frame at Red Bull following a major push about the French company's commitment to customers for next year, two engine failures for Sebastian Vettel in Valencia may well prove influential on the final decision.

Red Bull's motorsport advisor Helmut Marko confirmed on Tuesday that the team was now at the point where it would have to make a decision - with designs for the teams' RB6 already underway.

"Regarding the preparation for next year's car we have to sort this out by the end of August, thus within the next few days," he explained. "This is the last issue to decide in a big strategy.

"We have had our drivers' contracts extended. Moreover, all team personnel at the highest and next higher level are basically committed to us until 2012. That means we have continuity and stability within the team for the next few years".

He added: "There are good arguments for extending the Renault contract and there are good ones for a switch to Mercedes.

"Of course there are facts that cannot be ignored, be it the four engine failures Sebastian had this year, with two occurring the last weekend. The six Mercedes drivers had none this year."

Marko also said that he had no qualms about the quality of Mercedes-Benz engines being compromised by it supplying four teams – McLaren, Brawn GP, Force India and Red Bull - in the event of it concluding a deal.

"I am convinced they have the capacity to provide engines for four teams," he explained.

Red Bull Racing is locked in a title battle with Brawn, and Marko was optimistic that its struggles in Valencia were not unexpected – with him hopeful that tracks coming up on the calendar would favour the team's RB5.

"Trackwise, we expect to be strong once more in Spa, Monza, Suzuka and perhaps Sao Paulo. Abu Dhabi is new to everyone, so let's wait and see. We definitely knew before coming to Valencia that this will be our toughest race in the second half of the season."

And Marko has ruled out the use of KERS – even though the team said at the weekend it would evaluate its introduction on a race-by-race basis until the end of the season.

"We will not use KERS this season or next," he said. "To introduce it right now (in the title fight) would bear too much risk. Teams are free to use KERS in 2010 again as the FIA laid down, however there is an agreement within FOTA not to use it and we will follow this agreement".
#146133
Red Bull Mercedes. Now that is a force!
#146135
Albeit a rather boring one, given that Brawn and Force India look set to carry on with Mercedes as well. Should Sauber end up being bought, I hope that they end up with either a Ferrari or Renault (heck, even Toyota!) engine rather than a Mercedes. As things stand, we're already set to have three Mercedes and three Cosworth engines on the grid next year, we don't really need more of either or it just adds weight to Mosley's standard engine plans. I was actually looking forward to BMW supplying customer engines for next year, but... :-\
#146137
For a long time F1 had a de facto single engine provider Cosworth with at times the only exception of Ferrari (who have always had their own engines). So, I'm not too bothered about Mercedes supplying more teams. As long as it doesn't become part of the regs I don't mind. Hell, kudos to them for making a good engine and everybody wants it!
#146139
For a long time F1 had a de facto single engine provider Cosworth with at times the only exception of Ferrari (who have always had their own engines). So, I'm not too bothered about Mercedes supplying more teams. As long as it doesn't become part of the regs I don't mind. Hell, kudos to them for making a good engine and everybody wants it!


I think that's the issue, personally. They made a good engine before the freeze and now it's stuck being the best until the freeze is over, which frustrates me. I much prefer the times when there were battles between engine manufacturers where the balance shifted occasionally. But this would lead me back on to other things like looser regs, tyre wars etc. so I'll shut up and keep this on-topic :hehe:
#146145
This is a shame. In the end I get it though: the goal is to remain competitive and from a reliability and longevity standpoint Mercedes is the engine to beat. Additionally Mercedes has proven that their implementation of KERS actually works for them; helluva package to throw into next year's RB car. And I suspect that RB is feeling pressured to deliver Seb a car that he can handily challenge for the championship with... or lose him to Ferrari in '11.

I think that's the issue, personally. They made a good engine before the freeze and now it's stuck being the best until the freeze is over, which frustrates me. I much prefer the times when there were battles between engine manufacturers where the balance shifted occasionally. But this would lead me back on to other things like looser regs, tyre wars etc. so I'll shut up and keep this on-topic :hehe:


I couldn't agree more. F1 is supposed to be at the forefront of automotive technology and development. It's hard to carry that mantle with everyone running the same few engine/KERS packages. I'm hoping that the cost-reduction strategies will be effective enough without stifling innovation. Unfortunately I think we're already seeing this, hence BMW's departure.
#146186
Well, at least there's another engine supplier coming in next year to prevent the increasing number of Mercedes-powered cars being totally ridiculous
#146191
Well, at least there's another engine supplier coming in next year to prevent the increasing number of Mercedes-powered cars being totally ridiculous


yeah because it wouldn't be daft at all with max's vision of COSWORTH F1.

:(
#146235
Mercedes engine supply it is amazing what 100 Millions will buy you.

How many Merc engines have failed this year?

Last engine failure was Japan 08 and i can't remember the time before that.
#146236
toyota make damn good engines.. in road cars anyway! lol

Reminds of someone...Some Japanese Motor Company whose name rhymes with Fonda...
#146240
toyota make damn good engines.. in road cars anyway! lol

Reminds of someone...Some Japanese Motor Company whose name rhymes with Fonda...

Jane Honda? :hehe::hehe:

The Toyota in the back of Nico's Williams is alright, it's deadly off the start line, but a Renault or Merc would appear to be the next best step up now (I'd rather have a Renault in the back of the FW32).
#146243
toyota make damn good engines.. in road cars anyway! lol

Reminds of someone...Some Japanese Motor Company whose name rhymes with Fonda...

Jane Honda? :hehe::hehe:

The Toyota in the back of Nico's Williams is alright, it's deadly off the start line, but a Renault or Merc would appear to be the next best step up now (I'd rather have a Renault in the back of the FW32).

I think the Renault has very similar performance to the Merc but it's not anywhere near as reliable.
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