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[tifosi]

I havent seen this posted yet, so here it is....

Engines entered by Cosworth next year will not feature limited rev amounts, according to Max Mosley. Included in Mosley's letter to the Formula One Teams Association (FOTA) on Wednesday the FIA president stated that, due to a lack of development time, the engine manufacturer would be able to run its units without restrictions.

Cosworth's V8 engine last powered the Williams of 2006
With the debutant Campos, Manor and USF1 teams all due to be powered by Cosworth engines next year, six of the 26 cars on the starting grid will contain the powerplants. With all current engines in the field limited to 18,000 revolutions per minute, the FIA's letter to teams on Wednesday explained the reasoning behind the decision:

'As explained (and we thought agreed) at the 11 June meeting, the Cosworth has to be allowed to run without limitation in 2010 (ie. the 2006 duty cycle for a 2006 engine), because Cosworth have neither the time nor the resources to retune for 2010. Any engineer will confirm that this will not give the relevant teams any competitive advantage whatsoever.'

Link: http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/06/ ... out-limit/

Discuss

[7UpJordan]

The Cosworth was a powerful unit and was one of the first to go over 20,000 RPM, but at the same time it suffered from some con-rod failures which forced Williams to run at lower revs. Whether this is thanks to the endless reliability shortcomings of the FW28 or the engine itself remains to be seen.

[tifosi]

According to Mosley, running at 20,000rpm wont give them an advantage against the other engines. I personally dont see how that is possible. But, does not having a rev limiter mean that these engines will be running above 18krpm, or will the teams hold them off at 18k?

[bud]

more of Mosleys madness.

why not give them 18k limit but not freeze the engine, let Cosworth have free range development wise until they are on par with the rest. If the 3 teams dont like it then get another engine!

[headless]

According to Mosley, running at 20,000rpm wont give them an advantage against the other engines. I personally dont see how that is possible. But, does not having a rev limiter mean that these engines will be running above 18krpm, or will the teams hold them off at 18k?

Depends.
If they will last longer at 18,000 then the teams will hold them at that/

[7UpJordan]

According to Mosley, running at 20,000rpm wont give them an advantage against the other engines. I personally dont see how that is possible. But, does not having a rev limiter mean that these engines will be running above 18krpm, or will the teams hold them off at 18k?

Mosley talks bollocks practically all the time, running extra revs allows you to get more HP but it will depend on whether the Cosworth unit from 2006 is developed any further to catch up with the current 2009 spec engines.

[Rivelution]

Bullsh!t! I bet Max is doing this in attempt to get everyone to switch to the Cosworth engine, just like he wanted with his dumbass standard engine idea.

[Gaz]

bear in mind they can change the limit on the fly so you can simply have a kers style boost for an engine couldn't you?

on the slower parts of the track its running at 18k the car closes on a competitor limits pushed to 20k over takes back to 19k for a gap then a steady 18k again.

[myownalias]

If would be fairer all round if the engine freeze was abandoned for the remainder of 2009 and all teams could have a spanking new engine for Melbourne next year!

[hipcheck5]

I truly wonder if Mosley is simply looking to destroy F1 and start anew with him as the supremo.

[scotty]

more of Mosleys madness.

why not give them 18k limit but not freeze the engine, let Cosworth have free range development wise until they are on par with the rest. If the 3 teams dont like it then get another engine!

Yeah i thought that was going to be the case, it's the only logical solution...

I reckon this Cosworth engine will be worse off as a result anyway, it'll be unreliable and still down on power on most/all engines... that is going off the idea that even at 19k rpm, last years Honda engine was over 60hp down on the Mercs etc at 18k, and this Cosworth was nothing special in the first place - i certainly doubt it was more powerful than the Honda in '06.

[cap-dude]

No surprises really. I predicted this would happen.

I believe Mosley wanted a standard engine at some point, did he not. Well, this is his way of trying to get that. By creating an engine that will be well above the others. But I mean geez, isn't the engine freeze enough.

[Chris_0648]

Seriously, does anyone think the Cossie will be anywhere near as powerful as any of the other engines, even running at 20,000 revs?

It's a common sense move - avoids condeming the new teams to the back of the grid, helps get Cosworth back on the F1 food chain.

[welshie]

Seriously, does anyone think the Cossie will be anywhere near as powerful as any of the other engines, even running at 20,000 revs?

It's a common sense move - avoids condeming the new teams to the back of the grid, helps get Cosworth back on the F1 food chain.

I agree. There is no way the Cosworth will be an equal match for the Mercedes engine, even if it is un-restricted.

[tifosi]

Seriously, does anyone think the Cossie will be anywhere near as powerful as any of the other engines, even running at 20,000 revs?

It's a common sense move - avoids condeming the new teams to the back of the grid, helps get Cosworth back on the F1 food chain.

I agree. There is no way the Cosworth will be an equal match for the Mercedes engine, even if it is un-restricted.

So why not give McLaren, BMW, Force India, STR and other lowly ranked teams this season some help so they arent at the back of the field?

To me, it is just complete that he is allowing them to run w/o limiters. Who knows what the engines will put out... look at the Brawns... no one knew they were going to be this fast and this consistent. So anything is possible. My personal opinion is that Mosley just wants to do this to make it the best engine out there so that other teams make the switch and so that then F1 has a standardized engine. TBO and IMO anything that Mosley is doing to the sport right now isnt necessarily for the well being of the sport, but more for his goals for the sport.