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[Stealthgate007]

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Max has got to be sweating real hard. We'll see if he blinks again...

[Denthúl]

I saw this, too. It's interesting. Do you think anything will come of it, though?

ACEA wants change to F1 governance

By Jonathan Noble Friday, June 12th 2009, 16:54 GMT

The European Automobile Manufacturer's Association (ACEA) has stepped into the row engulfing Formula 1 - and claimed that the current governance of the sport cannot continue.

On a frantic day of activity following the FIA's publication of the 2010 entry list, the ACEA discussed the situation during a meeting in Brussels and decided that the way F1 was run had to change.

In a statement issued on Friday, the ACEA said: "Today, the members of the Board of the European Automobile Manufacturer's Association discussed the current situation prevailing in Formula 1, and have concluded that the current governance system cannot continue.

"ACEA has come to the conclusion that the FIA needs a modernised and transparent governance system and processes, including the revision of its constitution, to ensure the voice of its members, worldwide motorsport competitors and motorists are properly reflected."

The ACEA went on to state that it supported the efforts of its car manufacturer members in trying to change F1.

"The ACEA members support the activities and objectives of the Formula One Teams' Association to establish stable governance, clear and transparent rules which are common to all competitors to achieve cost reductions including a proper attribution of revenues to the F1 teams, in order to deliver a sustainable attractive sport for the worldwide public.

"Unless these objectives are met, the BMW, Ferrari, Mercedes, Renault and Toyota along with the other teams are determined to find an alternative way to practice this sport in a manner which provides clarity, certainty of rules and administration, and a fair allocation of revenues to the competing teams. "

The ACEA was founded in 1991 and represents 15 European car, truck and bus manufacturers at EU level.

Its members are BMW Group, DAF Trucks, Daimler, FIAT Group, Ford of Europe, General Motors Europe, Jaguar Land Rover, MAN Nutzfahrzeuge, Porsche, PSA Peugeot Citroën, Renault, Scania, Toyota Motor Europe, Volkswagen and Volvo.

[irons_4_ever]

i think there will be a spin of sport

[Stealthgate007]

I think max should have done the right thing in the beginning by having a step down spending cap. I think his arrogance has shined a public light on how secretive and non-transparent the FIA have been for years. You see how he blinked the first time and extended the deadline by a week.

I think there is blood in the water. Max's blood...

If they are able to salvage the 2010 season with everyone on the roster (which I do hope) its gonna be a different animal we are looking at in the FIA.

Then again... You can never count Max out... sneaky old man

[Rivelution]

Sounds nice to me, but I'm honestly getting sick of the FIA's crap. I wish we can have an F1 season without any political bullpoo, and dumb rules from the FIA.

[7UpJordan]

I'm surprised Max Mosley hasn't asked permission to use the House of Commons yet with the amount of political crap we're seeing with the FIA right now.

[RA Dunk]

Sounds nice to me, but I'm honestly getting sick of the FIA's crap. I wish we can have an F1 season without any political bullpoo, and dumb rules from the FIA.

they probably just come out with the crap they do to try justify there jobs and pay packets!

[myownalias]

The problem has been that the FIA wants a €45m cap and FOTA wants no cap which means no stepdown. The only sensible suggestion came from Mercedes Norberg Haug who suggested a €100m cap and technical assistance and affordable parts to new teams. It seems that the prominent teams of FOTA didn't put that suggestion forward as thought. Maybe the FIA and FOTA need to go and start afresh with a new governing body that has a seat for each team principle to have a say but self governance would be a disaster.

Each team gets a vote regardless of history or funding; a rule change will be passed by getting at least seven votes based on the 13 teams on the board. Right now FOTA is flawed because Ferrari has two representatives in the chairman Luca di Montizemolo and team principle Stefano Domincelli while all other teams get one vote. The two bodies need to be brought together for true harmony. The FIA is like the government making the rules and FOTA are like a protest group, not the way to run a sport!

[Stealthgate007]

Maybe the FIA and FOTA need to go and start afresh with a new governing body that has a seat for each team principle to have a say but self governance would be a disaster.

Each team gets a vote regardless of history or funding; a rule change will be passed by getting at least seven votes based on the 13 teams on the board. Right now FOTA is flawed because Ferrari has two representatives in the chairman Luca di Montizemolo and team principle Stefano Domincelli while all other teams get one vote. The two bodies need to be brought together for true harmony. The FIA is like the government making the rules and FOTA are like a protest group, not the way to run a sport!

I agree with a new governing body. It being the FIA, not really hot on that idea. Do you believe the teams and Manufacturers can form a impartial governing body that can be devoted to just formula 1? Having a fair, impartial, non-political sanctioning body made up by the strong business minded, technically savvy, sensible rule developers and analyst that makes things clear and concise is a lot to ask, over such a large entertainment establishment. But there are experts out there that certainly have skill and who we would be honored to have sit upon such a body..

[myownalias]

The whole point of the FIA was that it was an impartial body but various teams bodies culminating in FOTA appeared; governance of the sport has been disputed; FOTA wanting self regulation which is flawed as each team will vote out what doesn't work in their advantage. Each vote should have equal weight; right now Ferrari definitely have more weight are their president created and chairs the group. Personally I believe that teams shouldn't have a say in rules; they either choose to compete under those rules or not, all this political BS has come about because the FIA allowed the teams to dictate individual contracts and subsequent formula one teams assoc. So it seems a logical progression to have the teams and governing body coming together to (hopefully) create a more harmonious relationship meaning more racing and less politics.

[Stealthgate007]

It would be different if the FIA were impartial and showed some sense in managing the F1. Over time we have seen late braking rule changes, calls that were not considered equitable by stewards or racing directory, and too many scandals. The FIA oversees other forms of motorsports. They let their eye off the ball on the pinnicle of motorsports. They are old, unflexable and do a pisspoor job of trying to guide the sport to a better future, and frankly they are corrupt. If they were not, there would be no revolution.

New governance is needed.

executive: new governing body
Legislative: teams and manufactures
judicial: stewards and racing directors

There should be a balance of power between all of the above, or else teams will get used like they are now. F1 doesn't pay..You pay F1.

Election for Presidents of the governing body should be every 3 years with 2-3 terms, not a lifetime dictatorship.

New blood is need to guide F1 into a stable cost effective, money making future. Money being made now is paying off interest of CVC.. WTF..

Marketing... I cannot buy any F1 gear here in the US. I trip over danica shirts evertime i go to walmart. I go to BMW or Mercedes Dealership. Do you have a robert kubica shirt.."who??" WTF

Revolution bitches!!! Cause it aint getting better for me... only worse..

[myownalias]

Maybe a US presidential idea should be adopted; 4 years per term and a maximum of two terms. The problem with F1 is that is more about money than the sport and money corrupts; greedy Bernie Ecclestone taking huge chunks of money while the teams get very little. An overhaul of distribution of monies is needed; every team should get money for competing rather than the points = pounds/dollars/euros idea. Which means the rich teams get richer and the also rans get progressively poorer until priced out of F1 completely. The big problem is that Bernie/CVC own the rights to the name so I can not see anything changing in the immediate future, Bernie wants this; Max wants that and the teams want the other; three forces pulling in three different directions. This situation has been coming for years, F1 may have come to it's natural conclusion!

[Jensonb]

Maybe a US presidential idea should be adopted; 4 years per term and a maximum of two terms.

The FiA has a term limit of 2 terms, it was put into force during Mosley's tenure.

But they decided (Stupidly) not to apply it retrospectively. So until Mosley loses an election, he's it (Technically, he is actually honour-bound not to stand this year, but honour has never come into any of Mr. Mosley's affairs).

[darwin dali]

I thought Domenicali is just the place holder for Di Montezemola if absent, thus only one vote?

[myownalias]

I thought Domenicali is just the place holder for Di Montezemola if absent, thus only one vote?

I'm reasonably sure that I have seen them both at FOTA meetings, but I could be wrong! But either way we could argue that di Montizemolo has no place in FOTA as he is president of Ferrari not the motorsport director; surely Domenicali should be the one to hold the seat like all the other team principles.