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[JamesToohey]

What is wrong with all these teams? I think the idea is fantastic.

If they're whinging about not having to spend as much money and having freedom of ideas, then something is wrong.

With the budget cap, it's all about the idea themselves, the production of new things - what I always thought F1 was about.

Discuss.

[Gaz]

What is wrong with all these teams? I think the idea is fantastic.

If they're whinging about not having to spend as much money and having freedom of ideas, then something is wrong.

With the budget cap, it's all about the idea themselves, the production of new things - what I always thought F1 was about.

Discuss.

Lol ready the headlines and other posts before starting a new one.

The teams problem is not the cap its a two tier formula 1.

The teams have the option of signing up to the cap and getting addtional techncial options like higher reving engine non flat floot and movable rear wing.

Or running up capped with none of the above.

However the above tehcnical options are worth 3 secs per lap so the idea is daft, teams can't suddenly go from £200mil to £40 mil without sacking people and other huge changes.

[JamesToohey]

See I knew about the two-tier thing... but didn't think of the sacking people aspect.

Well stemming from that, why not forget the budget cap but allow technical freedom? With technical freedom money wouldn't be AS MUCH of a factor would it?

[Gaz]

See I knew about the two-tier thing... but didn't think of the sacking people aspect.

Well stemming from that, why not forget the budget cap but allow technical freedom? With technical freedom money wouldn't be AS MUCH of a factor would it?

no, exact opposite teams with the massive funds could pour more into R&D and we'd get some crazy ideas comming out you'd see 2-3sec gaps between the teams like Mclaren, Ferrari etc.. to the smaller teams like Force India Torro Rosso and Brawn GP

[tin23uk]

i think the cap idea is great but i dont think wages should fall under that cap for anyone in the team just as it is planned for drivers wages to be uncapped.

the two tier idea is crazy and would ruin the sport but the cap idea would put smaller teams on an even playing field with the bigger ones and would also bring in new teams. if thats means losing the big teams then i say f**k em.

cap the development spending to 40 mil but give teams full reign to be creative with things like aerodynamics providing it falls under that 40 mil cap.


i would personally love to see driver/car rotations then we can really see who the best drivers and not which are the best cars, teams create better cars in order to win the team championship and still keep the element of variety, drivers would be racing for the drivers championship. i know thats impossible because cars are set up to fit the driver, how teams bond with their drivers would be thrown completely out of the window, and then there would be the question of how and who pays those drivers but it would be fun to see.

[bud]

all a part of paying for the car development includes paying the workers salaries though. It is going to be hard to police, what if workers take a pay cut, or volunteer extra hours at no pay?

[tin23uk]

very true, the policing is gonna be the hardest part. i wouldnt really say saleries are directly linked to the cars development, extra wages dont make you smarter, but lying about saleries and using that money on development would surely ensue. just more politics really, looks great on paper but controlling it and punishing those that break the rules is a whole world of difficult.

the only way i can see around the development teams wages issue would be to pay the teams wages to a governing body and have the body in turn pay the wages therefore watching and regulating the money.

this is making my head hurt now

[bud]

i mean in a team sport like the NBA for example its easy to monitor a salary cap. Teams have x amount to fill their roster. a budget cap in F1 is going to be hard considering the teams manufacture many components of their cars and do not buy them all off the shelf!

the ones they manufacture are going to be hardest to or similar R&D wind tunnel computer sims etc. all add up and all can theoretically be bypassed if clever enough.

[csrracer]

i would personally love to see driver/car rotations then we can really see who the best drivers and not which are the best cars, teams create better cars in order to win the team championship and still keep the element of variety, drivers would be racing for the drivers championship. i know thats impossible because cars are set up to fit the driver, how teams bond with their drivers would be thrown completely out of the window, and then there would be the question of how and who pays those drivers but it would be fun to see.

F1 has always been about the cars (Teams) first, and the drivers second. It's not and hopefully never will become a spec series (NASCAR, INDYCAR). If you are more interested in seeing drivers compete on an even playing field, than F1 is not for you.

[Denthúl]

When it comes down to performance in Formula One, even money isn't the reason that certain teams (notably Williams) have slipped from being championship-winners to points-scorers. The lack of innovation allowed in the sport has done that. Williams' titles were often powered by innovative machinery, their design team able to come up with some pretty impressive stuff.

[tin23uk]

i would personally love to see driver/car rotations then we can really see who the best drivers and not which are the best cars, teams create better cars in order to win the team championship and still keep the element of variety, drivers would be racing for the drivers championship. i know thats impossible because cars are set up to fit the driver, how teams bond with their drivers would be thrown completely out of the window, and then there would be the question of how and who pays those drivers but it would be fun to see.

F1 has always been about the cars (Teams) first, and the drivers second. It's not and hopefully never will become a spec series (NASCAR, INDYCAR). If you are more interested in seeing drivers compete on an even playing field, than F1 is not for you.

F1 is deffinatly for me, i cant stand nascar, but a system like that would allow for both drivers and and constructers to compete at the highest level possible. i would like to see more variety in the cars although that would go comepletely against everything i just said about the caps.

i like it the way it is but would love to see every driver get the chance to win without reverting to nascar styl;e with all the cars being carbon copies of one another.

[billindenver]

i would personally love to see driver/car rotations then we can really see who the best drivers and not which are the best cars, teams create better cars in order to win the team championship and still keep the element of variety, drivers would be racing for the drivers championship. i know thats impossible because cars are set up to fit the driver, how teams bond with their drivers would be thrown completely out of the window, and then there would be the question of how and who pays those drivers but it would be fun to see.

F1 has always been about the cars (Teams) first, and the drivers second. It's not and hopefully never will become a spec series (NASCAR, INDYCAR). If you are more interested in seeing drivers compete on an even playing field, than F1 is not for you.

F1 is deffinatly for me, i cant stand nascar, but a system like that would allow for both drivers and and constructers to compete at the highest level possible. i would like to see more variety in the cars although that would go comepletely against everything i just said about the caps.

i like it the way it is but would love to see every driver get the chance to win without reverting to nascar styl;e with all the cars being carbon copies of one another.

That depends on what you call the highest level. If you mean the highest level than any Walmart employee can afford..sure..why not. If you mean the highest level that human engineering can produce....well then you are talking about the formula one that Mosely is trying to do away with. Engineering talent costs money...there is NO WAY you can chop a budget by 75% and still have the same engineering. It can't happen. Get that thought out of your head.

If you want Formula one to remain the pinnacle of engineering on this planet.....salary caps are not what you want. Max should be focusing his energy on how to make the racing less expensive (try not completely changing the chassis, aero and engine specs every freaking year for example...instead of trying to cap spending, which he will no way in hell be able to police anyway.

[csrracer]

What would be the penalty for going over Budget? Would you have to stop racing for the season, or start from Pit row every race? Or would the teams just get fined, which of course would defeat the purpose of having a budget cap in the first place.

[Ferrari4me]

Stop the budget cap nonsense and simply the technical landscape/rules!
The cost driver in Formula one is predominantly aerodynamic development. Huge initial capital investment in wind tunnels and seriously high running cost (by the hour!). We need to return to kiss (keep it simple stupid) technology and promote more mechanical grip. Ultra wide slicks and huge front and rear wings….maximum frontal area and huge wing angles. This will negate the effect of sophisticated aerodynamics and hundreds of millions invested in wind tunnel evaluations. This strategy will reward suspension, power plant, gearbox and drive train efficiency and most importantly driver skills.