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#106320
Interesting thought here. Re-fueling is to banned. Firstly, this means that clearly the cars won't be carrying their fuel loads into Q3 anymore. The line-up will be based on pure pace, not strategy.

The other thing is, the fuel tanks will need to be a lot larger. This is could have a large effect especially with the running of KERS. The fuel tanks have actually been made smaller this year to fit KERS into the car. So clearly that's going to cause annoyance.

The other one is, how will pit-stops work now. Clearly the cars will still need to stop. One because they can't do a whole race distance on one set of tyres, and two because the rules still state that both compounds need to be used during a race. It's interesting one to be sure. Will they be stopping once during the race then. Will that stop be mandotory. Will the race distance be shortened next year to make it easier on the tyre's and the size of the fuel tanks.


Interesting to see what effects this would've had during 2008. The cars wouldn't have all piled into pit lane during canada resulting in Lewis' crash with Kimi. Whilst Massa wouldn't have driven off with th fuel hose, cause there'd be no fuel hose. And certainly Lewis would have paided a higher price at Monaco, because he would've had to change tyres very early on, and then stop again to change tyres because those tyres would wear out. Whilst Massa and Kubica could've done with one stop.

So really, what are peoples thoughts on how this rule change will affect F1, and do you think it's for the better.
#106327
Erm what? No fuelling? As in...absolutely no fuel intakes at any point during the race?

What the f*** is the point! F1's gone to the dogs.


No, it's back to its roots when there was no refueling and drivers had to make do with the fuel they got at the start of the race. I fondly remember AP pushing his car over the finish line because he was out of fuel :hehe:
#106334
Erm what? No fuelling? As in...absolutely no fuel intakes at any point during the race?

What the f*** is the point! F1's gone to the dogs.


No, it's back to its roots when there was no refueling and drivers had to make do with the fuel they got at the start of the race. I fondly remember AP pushing his car over the finish line because he was out of fuel :hehe:


I know that race!!! I know it was in Germany, but I cant remember the year. 1986?



and dude, SAS88, how can you say F1 has gone to the dogs? When refueling was banned from 83 to 93, many experienced fans consider this the golden era of F1! I wish I was old enough to witness it.
#106335
I know that race!!! I know it was in Germany, but I cant remember the year. 1986?

Yes sir 1986 it was, I think I will digout that tape and rewatch the race this week.
#106360
I wonder who will be the drivers that loose out on this. Senna used to use a lot mote fuel than other drivers. So who would need the most fuel to finish a race now adays?

I think it will save on fuel bills, as teams will be more into fuel saving than out and out performance.
#106369
I don't think that the pitstops will only be "mandatory" because of the tyre rules. There's enough of a speed advantage in using several sets of tyres to justify the pit stops by themselves. Wasn't that how pit-stop strategy started, I think with Williams, solely for tyres? Didn't scheduled refueling come in later? If I wasn't so lazy, I'd actually look that up.
#106380
I think it would be good to drop the mandatory tyre-change rule to go with this. As well as that, all four tyre compounds should be available to teams across the weekend, to make for more interesting strategies. Some teams could opt to do a number of stints on the softer compounds to make the most of them, whilst others could take the hardest compound and attempt to go the entire race distance without a pit stop.

I'd like to see variations like that.
#106382
I think it would be good to drop the mandatory tyre-change rule to go with this. As well as that, all four tyre compounds should be available to teams across the weekend, to make for more interesting strategies. Some teams could opt to do a number of stints on the softer compounds to make the most of them, whilst others could take the hardest compound and attempt to go the entire race distance without a pit stop.

I'd like to see variations like that.


I'd agree with that. Choosing the compounds so that more than one strategy is feasible would be a problem however.
#106398
my manifesto say's, o.k. keep refuling. but bring the car into the pits-refuel car-then when the hose comes off the car-the mech's then raise the car and change the tires. fuel only? fuel the car -then raise the car on the jacks then drop it off you go.no more hoses trailing down the pitlane- alot safer for the mech's. a win-win. burt.
#106486
I think banning re-fueling is a terrible idea. It adds a lot of excitement to a race with different strategies etc and by taking away this will remove a major part of modern F1 racing excitement !!!!!

Why don't they just introduce spec refueling systems that all teams have to use at the same cost.

I guarantee it will be a year like when they banned tyre changes, totally crap and it will be changed again the following year.
#106488
I think banning re-fueling is a terrible idea. It adds a lot of excitement to a race with different strategies etc and by taking away this will remove a major part of modern F1 racing excitement !!!!!

Why don't they just introduce spec refueling systems that all teams have to use at the same cost.

I guarantee it will be a year like when they banned tyre changes, totally crap and it will be changed again the following year.


Uh no. It will be very interesting to watch how some of the current crop's hotshots will deal with this new situation: not only do they have to watch their tires, but now also their fuel consumption. Like in everyday life, if your driving style is too ragged and aggressive you use more fuel and in the case of F1 you might not be able to finish the race or will have to slow down to make it.
Also, the engine that is the most economical will have the advantage to be able to use a smaller fuel tank (with all its implied benefits) and isn't that a good thing and a step towards a greener F1?
#106489
It seems to me that banning fueling is dumbing the sport down a bit. I rather like the complexity of F1...fuel strategies adds to that and when taken away...leaves us one step closer to running in a circle and changing the name to Formula Nascar.
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