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[darwin dali]

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Max Mosley has revealed plans for a "world engine" that in 2013 would be capable of powering FIA categories including Formula One, World Rally Championship and Formula Two.

On a visit last weekend to the rally of Portugal he said: "It would work in turbocharged form for F1 and then all the way down to naturally aspirated form for the lesser categories and in a turbocharged or naturally aspirated form for the World Rally Championship."

The FIA President said the planning phase of the project is in its �very early days�, with the car manufacturers to be involved.

In the case of F1, he said �peripheral areas� of the engine will be open for development, including KERS and other energy recovery systems to be introduced.

Asked for further information, he said energy could be collected not only from braking heat as at present, but "from exhausts and even from the cooling system."

Referring to the universal FIA engine, he added: "If we can - and I'm not sure we can - find a way of combining all forms of motor sport in that system then this would be useful because of the huge sums spent on motor sport."




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[SAS88]

I don't like it, when it comes to racing, I don't care about green house gases. What are all these new conformities? Let the teams do what they want, within reason.

Sounds like a money-making scheme to me, not racing entertainment. Whenever there is collective scheming across sports bodies, it's always for money.

And I thought turbo-charging or whatever was banned sometime in the 80's. Now there is suddenly a soft-spot for it, hmm...

[Jensonb]

Like I Tweeted when I read this.

Um. No.

[Frosty]

The guy is loosing the f***ing plot! The manufactures won't like it and it takes away from the constructors aspect of f1. Remember F1 is a constructors sport not just a drivers sport the only way I can see this working is if they say have this engine but you can develop it however you want.

[texasmr2]

Me no likey !

[scotty]

Just not going to happen, for many reasons. WRC engines have completely different fundamental requirements to F1 engines for starters!

[Frosty]

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Asked for further information, he said energy could be collected not only from braking heat as at present, but "

As far as I'm aware no one collects energy from heat off the breaks in F1 all the KERS devices use engine breaking to generate the power I think that shows how much he knows about the technical aspects of the sport!

[Jensonb]

F1-Live.com

Asked for further information, he said energy could be collected not only from braking heat as at present, but "

As far as I'm aware no one collects energy from heat off the breaks in F1 all the KERS devices use engine breaking to generate the power I think that shows how much he knows about the technical aspects of the sport!

What? When did that happen? I was under the impression it was heat collected from the brakes

[EwanM]

Max will probably want March to return and produce a "World Chassis"
One which you can dismantle and assemble the wings/suspension etc like a Mechano Set.

[SAS88]

F1-Live.com

Asked for further information, he said energy could be collected not only from braking heat as at present, but "

As far as I'm aware no one collects energy from heat off the breaks in F1 all the KERS devices use engine breaking to generate the power I think that shows how much he knows about the technical aspects of the sport!

That doesn't really make much sense, engine braking? No one purposely tries to cause friction in the engine, it needs to be as lubricated as possible.

[Tony_sa]

F1-Live.com

Asked for further information, he said energy could be collected not only from braking heat as at present, but "

As far as I'm aware no one collects energy from heat off the breaks in F1 all the KERS devices use engine breaking to generate the power I think that shows how much he knows about the technical aspects of the sport!

That doesn't really make much sense, engine braking? No one purposely tries to cause friction in the engine, it needs to be as lubricated as possible.

Go google it.... it technically a energy recovery system... rather google it ...

[Frosty]

F1-Live.com

Asked for further information, he said energy could be collected not only from braking heat as at present, but "

As far as I'm aware no one collects energy from heat off the breaks in F1 all the KERS devices use engine breaking to generate the power I think that shows how much he knows about the technical aspects of the sport!

What? When did that happen? I was under the impression it was heat collected from the brakes

I'm sure Antony Davidson talked about it the other day I thought he said they were collecting the energy via engine breaking. It makes sense to do so as well because if you didn't you when it comes to electric KERS you would have to have a generator on each of the front wheel hubs and you may just get away single one somewhere along the drive train for the rear wheels or you could have just one attached to the engine which kicks in under breaking. For the fly wheel design I struggle to see how they could get any energy from the front wheels at all. Maybe some of them don't use engine breaking but I'm definitely sure they do not use heat. From what I have read the Electric KERS works by a Motor-Generator which is attached to the drive train when the car is breaking the Motor-Generator acts like a generator taking kinetic energy from the drive train and storing the generated electricity in the batteries when the KERS button is pressed then Motor-Generator acts like a motor pumping kinetic energy into the drive train.

[Gaz]

Just not going to happen, for many reasons. WRC engines have completely different fundamental requirements to F1 engines for starters!

yep will never work.

and surely F1 has got to be more powerful than a lower formula

Summery:Max is an idiot.

[Frosty]

F1-Live.com

Asked for further information, he said energy could be collected not only from braking heat as at present, but "

As far as I'm aware no one collects energy from heat off the breaks in F1 all the KERS devices use engine breaking to generate the power I think that shows how much he knows about the technical aspects of the sport!

That doesn't really make much sense, engine braking? No one purposely tries to cause friction in the engine, it needs to be as lubricated as possible.

Under Braking you don't want your engine sending any energy to your wheels because you are trying to slow down at 18000 RPM the engine has a fair bit of kinetic energy that could be used to power a generator.

[Jensonb]

No explanation of KERS I have seen has mentioned Engine Braking. Maybe that just shows how uninformed Journos are?