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By Jonathan Noble and Matt Beer Thursday, March 5th 2009, 14:10 GMT

McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh is confident that the Formula One Teams' Association's proposals for a new points system represent the best compromise between encouraging close racing and prolonging title battles.

Whitmarsh, who chaired the sporting regulations working group as FOTA worked on its vision for F1, said that the fan survey confirmed a desire for race victories to be rewarded more strongly than under the current 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 system. But he added that FOTA also remained keen to keep championships close and exciting rather than seeing a multiple race winner clinch the title before the end of the season.

"At one stage I know there were at least eight different proposals on the table," Whitmarsh told reporters at today's announcement in Geneva.

"There's a balance considered by the teams. There was a view from the audience survey that they wanted a greater recognition of winning to encourage overtaking etc, and we felt that we had to take those comments on board.

"However, if you commit to a very large difference in the points allocated to each driver then you can of course bring about an earlier conclusion to the championship.

"We've witnessed two seasons that had fairly exciting finales based on the existing points system, so I think before you change that you've got to be very considered. With all of the different proposals we simulated what would have occurred in the last few years before we put something forward.

"Something which enables a championship to be finished with three races to go is not a good thing. But we then felt that having committed to an audience survey then we shouldn't ignore it, because I think we're proud of the work that's being done, funded by FOTA, but you have to take account of what you're told, and that's what we did."

Under FOTA's new system, Felipe Massa and Lewis Hamilton would have ended 2008 equal on 113 points each, but Massa rather than Hamilton would have been champion due to his greater number of race wins. The three-way 2007 title showdown that saw Kimi Raikkonen beat Hamilton and Fernando Alonso would not have been altered had FOTA's 12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1 points distribution been in place.

Whitmarsh said that FOTA had not yet discussed its points suggestion, which it hopes will be implemented immediately, with the FIA, but is confident that it is a compelling proposal.

"There's been a lot of work done and it's been a considered proposal that all the teams have put forward," he said. "We obviously wouldn't have done so unless we think that it's a positive thing to do and we'll see from here how it goes forwards."
#92748
He's absolutely right, and I seriously hope that all or most of FOTA's proposals pass.
#92751
Wow, it'd be surprising if it was implemented right away! 12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1 sounds good to me though.

So much for Bernie's medals... :rolleyes::hehe:
#92752
900x better than Bernie's medal idea.

I think its a really good spread. 3 points between 1st and 2nd. Not too much, not too little. Also, 3rd place gets 2 more points than 4th, rather than just 1. I've definitely got no problems with this change in the points system.
#92769
The proposed 12-9-7-5 point system creates a too great of a points differential from 1st to 4th place. Twelve points for a win sounds great until your favorite Ferrari or McLaren/Mercedes finishes 5th or worse or DNF's. There has been too much politics in changing points system, starting with Spa to total number of wins. I still favor 2008 point system.
#92773
The proposed 12-9-7-5 point system creates a too great of a points differential from 1st to 4th place. Twelve points for a win sounds great until your favorite Ferrari or McLaren/Mercedes finishes 5th or worse or DNF's.


Failure should not be rewarded! If they finish 5th then they have failed both McLaren and Ferrari exist to win. The drivers in top teams should be pushing for the win or at least a podium there has been far to many drivers holding back in races not wanting to risk it for only another 2 points.
#92787
I'm trying to imagine how this could affect things and a couple of thoughts come to mind.

Would Kimi have been out of contention earlier last year?

Would Kubicas early season performance been as notable?

If there's a similar situation at Mclaren as there was last year between Hamilton and Kavalainen would this points system give them an advantage (in the drivers championship) over Ferrari where it's more likely their drivers will be sharing/trading the better finishing positions which would possibly force Ferrari to select a lead driver earlier on?

Does the scoring for the drivers and the constructors championships have to be the same? Maybe only changing the constructors scoring would have a better effect.

Sorry, I'm just rambling out loud.
#92792
The proposed 12-9-7-5 point system creates a too great of a points differential from 1st to 4th place. Twelve points for a win sounds great until your favorite Ferrari or McLaren/Mercedes finishes 5th or worse or DNF's.


Failure should not be rewarded! If they finish 5th then they have failed both McLaren and Ferrari exist to win. The drivers in top teams should be pushing for the win or at least a podium there has been far to many drivers holding back in races not wanting to risk it for only another 2 points.

Your reply sounds like Bernie Ecclestone.
#92794
Failure should not be rewarded! If they finish 5th then they have failed both McLaren and Ferrari exist to win. The drivers in top teams should be pushing for the win or at least a podium there has been far to many drivers holding back in races not wanting to risk it for only another 2 points.


The idea is that MORE teams should be fighting for wins. So... 'top teams' should be a variable term, not reserved for Mcl and Ferrari.

Other than that, look at the last seasons... those 'only' 2 pts were pretty difficult for Lewis and proved to be very meaningful for the CS in 06, and lets not even mention Kubica in 08. I think the medal idea is/was stupid, because only awarding the podium finishers is absurd (maybe if there were only 1 car per team... maybe). I think 2 x 2nd places should be better than 1x 1st place and a DNF, and so on. 'Settling' for 5th place is not unheard of... its intelligent sportsmaship, it happens in all sports and i definitely wouldnt want a championship in which only 4 drivers are actually in it, and the champion gets his job done after a few wins and then can DNF all he wants....

The new pts system is ok. We'll see how it all ends up... but its a good reference, specially if 09 regs cause some reshuffling.
#93099
With the increase in points, we'll see some point scoring records broken.


Doubt it since I don't think we'll have one single driver who will dominate to the extent of say MS and win/score that many points.
#93206
With the increase in points, we'll see some point scoring records broken.


Doubt it since I don't think we'll have one single driver who will dominate to the extent of say MS and win/score that many points.


Well, not immediately. But with 20% more points for first place, it would only take a driver winning 12 races (out of 17) in a season, plus an extra 5 points to beat MS's 148 points in a season. With 18 races, beating this record is significantly less difficult than it was before. There's also 12.5% more points for second place, 16.66'% more points for third place, etc. Much easier to beat the records, without needing to match MS's level of dominance.
#93208
With the increase in points, we'll see some point scoring records broken.


Doubt it since I don't think we'll have one single driver who will dominate to the extent of say MS and win/score that many points.


Well, not immediately. But with 20% more points for first place, it would only take a driver winning 12 races (out of 17) in a season, plus an extra 5 points to beat MS's 148 points in a season. With 18 races, beating this record is significantly less difficult than it was before. There's also 12.5% more points for second place, 16.66'% more points for third place, etc. Much easier to beat the records, without needing to match MS's level of dominance.


I agree and understand what you're saying. However, as I stated earlier, I don't think it'll materialize because a bunch of front runners will steal points from each other plus KERS and wide front wings may cause plenty of DNF's. All I'm saying is I'd be surprised if one driver will be able to amass that many points this year. But nothing is impossible in F1...
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