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[cap-dude]

-The teams have already admitted that KERS is not one of those things they're going to introduce to F1, and then to road cars.
- They say its not going to bring that much of a performance advantage because of the weight factor.
- The weight factor also disadvantages top drivers like Kubica, who will find it hard to get a good weight distribution.
- KERS will bring reliability probelms to.
- Mechanics have to wear stupid looking marigolds
- KERS may strongly dictate what cars are faster than others
- KERS is more computer engineering, rather than oil and spannes. Enzo Ferrari and Colin Chapman will be turning in their graves
- Some teams aren't even going to bother running it in race one
- Credit Crunch (thought I might as well throw that one in)

Really, the only good thing about KERS, is that its good for overtaking. But wait a sec, the guy in front will have KERS as well. So they both get a speed boost
Its also gonna offer drivers more excuses. I couldn't win the race because our KERS system is inferior. Off the start, their KERS system is much better. I spun because of KERS.

Really, I'm struggling to see the point of KERS here. If they're only reason is to add performance to the cars, well then bring back god damn V10's. Just get rid of KERS, so we can have season without everyone moaning about it, and blaming everything on it.

[Stealthgate007]

KERS development came out of a necessity to be efficient and reduce the use of fossil fuels. Its has nothing to do with racing more so than being politically responsible and environmentally friendly. I believe it would have been more responsible to shorten the qualifiyng and shorten the race.

[McLaren Fan]

The teams have already admitted that KERS is not one of those things they're going to introduce to F1, and then to road cars.

There are a lot of components on Formula One cars that have not and will not make their way onto road cars.

They say its not going to bring that much of a performance advantage because of the weight factor.

Possibly, but that's not the point.

The weight factor also disadvantages top drivers like Kubica, who will find it hard to get a good weight distribution.

The ideal height for a driver is 5'8'' or so and 140 lbs. A driver's physique has always been an issue.

KERS will bring reliability probelms to.

That's the teams' job to sort that out.

Mechanics have to wear stupid looking marigolds

A small price to pay.

KERS may strongly dictate what cars are faster than others

Your point?

KERS is more computer engineering, rather than oil and spannes. Enzo Ferrari and Colin Chapman will be turning in their graves

Formula One has become highly computerised in most other areas, but there is still plenty of basic engineering skills in Formula One. I doubt Ferrari and Chapman would be turning their graves; the former wasn't an engineer and Chapman was obsessed with whatever technology would give him an advantage.

ome teams aren't even going to bother running it in race on

That's their own fault for not having it ready. KERS has been made optional for 2009 to give everybody the best possible chance to create a reliable, effective KERS and still have a decent season if they can't get things sorted.

Credit Crunch (thought I might as well throw that one in)

It's a pretty lame excuse. KERS has been on the agenda for several years, so a lot of money would have gone into this long before the financial problems in the world. The spadework has already been done.

Its also gonna offer drivers more excuses. I couldn't win the race because our KERS system is inferior. Off the start, their KERS system is much better. I spun because of KERS.

I don't see what that changes. Drivers have always complained that they didn't win or whatever because of the quality of their cars.

bring back god damn V10's. Just get rid of KERS

Please, no! From an engineering point of view, Formula One had become incredibly boring. Borrow some minor changes, the drivetrain regulations had been the same since 1989. Frankly, that is embarrassing. It allows little scope for new, innovative ideas to come to the fore. The only people opposed to KERS are teams who are inexplicably struggling with it or neo-conservatives.

[scotty]

KERS is a good idea, but maybe not in the current economic climate... as i've been thinking for ages, a better move would be to ban refuelling and encourage teams to produce fuel efficient yet powerful engines, which is something everyone can benefit from. I doubt any mainstream road cars will have KERS systems for a fair few years.

[McLaren Fan]

Surely these fuel-efficient engines would require time and money to develop?

[Denthúl]

If teams can't work around any technical challenges or potential disadvantages, then they shouldn't be in the sport.

[McLaren Fan]

If teams can't work around any technical challenges or potential disadvantages, then they shouldn't be in the sport.

Another reason why I wouldn't shed any tears if Toyota left.

[scotty]

Surely these fuel-efficient engines would require time and money to develop?

Same as anything in F1 really... it'd have more practical use than KERS too, and considering that all the engine manufacturers also make road cars, i think the benefits of those developments would have more impact in a shorter time (compared to KERS) on the cars we drive. Seeing as these manufacturers make the majority of their money from road car sales and only really use F1 for technological and marketing purposes, it only makes sense as everyone (including us, with having to spend less money on fuel) will benefit in a way, no?

[cap-dude]

Thats all well and good, but list one good feature about KERS. What does it bring to F1.

Also, fuel effiency is not something that needs fixed. The amount of fuel used during races is completely dwarfed by the amount of fuel used to transport equipment, cars, etc.. across the world. One plane flight alone is said to equal the fuel used during a single race. Your talking about a minor a reduction to the fuel used during the race. Its a pointless waste of time.

[scotty]

Also, fuel effiency is not something that needs fixed. The amount of fuel used during races is completely dwarfed by the amount of fuel used to transport equipment, cars, etc.. across the world. One plane flight alone is said to equal the fuel used during a single race. Your talking about a minor a reduction to the fuel used during the race. Its a pointless waste of time.

But it is something that would ultimately be brought into road car engines... yeah, really pointless that.

[McLaren Fan]

Surely these fuel-efficient engines would require time and money to develop?

Same as anything in F1 really... it'd have more practical use than KERS too, and considering that all the engine manufacturers also make road cars, i think the benefits of those developments would have more impact in a shorter time (compared to KERS) on the cars we drive. Seeing as these manufacturers make the majority of their money from road car sales and only really use F1 for technological and marketing purposes, it only makes sense as everyone (including us, with having to spend less money on fuel) will benefit in a way, no?

I would have preferred to see engines made more fuel efficient etc., but, saying as that is not on the cards at the moment, I'd rather have KERS than sticking with a formula that is basically two decades old.

[bud]

So cap dude you'd like the cars to remain the same forever?

While F1 might have minimal impact when compared to the globe as a whole F1s image will change if it's seen to be trying alternative fuels. And I would think any hybrid technology advancements in F1 would be surely beneficial to the road car! Besides F1 won't stay petrol internal combustion for ever!

[cap-dude]

But KERS is just one difference. We have a whole host of changes right now. Just because I don't like one idea, doesn't mean I'm against development in F1.

Really, if F1 wanted to make changes to be more eco-friendly, it should start using bio-fuels, like A1GP has been running. Perhaps try something like E85 ethanol.
Also, teams have already admitted that the KERS system they are using is completely different to one which would be used on a road car. So unless what I read is incorrect, there is still little reason to run KERS.

[scotty]

I'm sure i read that biofuels have indeed been/will be introduced, but not in large proportions at first. Of course, the credit crunch is the current flavour of the month so i'm sure the powers that be will consider it something that can wait...

[iPod]

I'd like to see the teams develop a Hydrogen engine at some point. THAT would really get the ball rolling on the eco front, and it would be a huge benefit to road cars.