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[bud]

Backs to the wall their true colours shine w**kers!

According to rumours Ferrari may have teamed up with Peugeot to accelerate the development of the Italian F1 team's KERS system for the 2009 season.

The unconfirmed reports, citing unnamed 'F1 sources', say part of the marques' new relationship will involve Peugeot running Ferrari's F1 KERS system on a test version of its 908 prototype.

Ferrari is developing its KERS system with its electronics partner Magneti-Marelli, but the Maranello based team has admitted it is struggling with development of the technology and is yet to actually track-test a functioning unit.

It is suggested that the Ferrari-Peugeot tie-in could be one way for the Italian team to handle its lagging KERS track programme in the face of the looming in-season test ban, to take effect from the Australian Grand Prix in March.



However, it is also suggested that Ferrari may be exploring making its KERS available to teams in other categories of racing.

In 2008, Peugeot said it would campaign a hybrid electric variant of its diesel 908, complete with a KERS system, in this year's Le Mans Series.

[Clarkey3262]

Backs to the wall their true colours shine w**kers!

Yep, w**kers, for doing what is best for them to ensure they are ready for the new season, god forbid any other team getting any form of help with any part of their car development

[texasmr2]

Backs to the wall their true colours shine w**kers!

Yep, w**kers, for doing what is best for them to ensure they are ready for the new season, god forbid any other team getting any form of help with any part of their car development

[bud]

Backs to the wall their true colours shine w**kers!

Yep, w**kers, for doing what is best for them to ensure they are ready for the new season, god forbid any other team getting any form of help with any part of their car development

what... bypassing a testing ban is ok by you?
all the other teams are developing within the agreed limits why is that not good enough for Ferrari?

[Clarkey3262]

Is the testing ban currently in place at the moment - if yes I withdraw my previous comment - if not then yes it is fine and is actually reducing cost for Ferrari as well. If they use other companies to test during the season then I would have a problem with it and one thing that needs to be remembered is F1 car are differrent to Le mans cars as well

[texasmr2]

I'm not disagreeing with you bud but if Peugeot will be doing the testing and not Ferrari where is the infraction? I'm actually asking for your insight and knowledge concerning this and not questioning you.

[bud]

the article states they will use the Peugeot partnership to do the testing of KERS once the ban takes effect.

and doesnt matter what car its on the basic principles remain the same and valuable data would be gained on a new component teams know little about.

[bud]

I'm not disagreeing with you bud but if Peugeot will be doing the testing and not Ferrari where is the infraction? I'm actually asking for your insight and knowledge concerning this and not questioning you.

Are you serious im sorry but if you cannot see whats wrong there..... then i cannot help you

[texasmr2]

I'm not disagreeing with you bud but if Peugeot will be doing the testing and not Ferrari where is the infraction? I'm actually asking for your insight and knowledge concerning this and not questioning you.

Are you serious im sorry but if you cannot see whats wrong there..... then i cannot help you

Yes I'm serious as I see nothing wrong? I politely ask your opinion and instead of sharing it you take another personal jab at me, now thats just not right.

I politely ask you again what is your opinion of that and does it fall under the testing ban? Also can you offer any proof that Ferrari are breaking the FIA's rule or is it just your high standard of 'personal morals' or hatred for Ferrari?

[bud]

personal jab? righteo then, but i guess you know all about taking personal jabs on here

ok if you answer this question of mine correctly you will get the answer to your own question. what is the point of a testing ban if teams can simply delegate testing duties to third parties?

[welshie]

All seems a bit underhand to me, and if it is within the rules then it makes a mockery of the testing ban!

[texasmr2]

This thread is merely based on rumors so offer some proof that it is true ok bud.

[bud]

This thread is merely based on rumors so offer some proof that it is true ok bud.

where would F1 forums like this one be without the F1 rumour mill? But you demand more proof for this one? hmmmm you seem to take the Alonso to Ferrari rumours as fact wheres your proof there?

[welshie]

Ferrari laughs off Peugeot KERS stories

Ferrari sources say that rumours linking the company's development of KERS with the Peugeot sportscar team are not to be taken seriously. The stories, which seem to have begun in the United States, suggest that Peugeot will run the Ferrari F1 KERS system on a 908 development car. The suggestion is that this would circumvent the F1 testing ban, which comes into effect at the first race in March.

This does not seem very logical. There are lots of links between the engine men in Maranello and Peugeot, given that a number of key players followed Jean Todt to Italy back in the 1990s, but from a political point of view it makes no sense at all for Ferrari to try to get around a rule that was agreed by the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA), which is led by Ferrari boss Luca di Montezemolo.

One of the problems with F1 rule-making is that unless there is a budget cap agreed the teams can spend their money on whatever they like. If they choose to buy in technology the FIA cannot stop them doing that. Williams, for example, bought a stake in a company called Automotive Hybrid Power Ltd in an effort to develop a KERS system quickly and cheaply. McLaren has agreed "a collaborative initiative" with the US automotive electronics company Freescale Semiconductor to develop the next-generation KERS technology, rather than doing the work itself. The Lancashire-based Torotrak company has announced deals with two unnamed F1 teams while former F1 racer Heinz-Harald Frentzen is also pushing for deals for his Lithium Technology Corporation, which provided a KERS system for the Gumpert Apollo sportscar last season.

Ferrari is currently developing its KERS system in conjunction with Magneti Marelli but there is no reason why the team could not buy Peugeot expertise if this was considered something of value. Peugeot unveiled its 908 HY car in September and revealed that this was going to have a KERS system, the aim being to deliver extra horsepower or better fuel consumption (depending on what was needed at any specific moment) at Le Mans in particular, where the long lap means that KERS could be generating electrical power for about half a minute each lap.

"This is in perfect keeping with the overall mission of our endurance racing programme which covers not only the challenge of competing, but also the fact that as a car manufacturer we can use motor sport as a research and development tool for the Peugeot brand as a whole," said Peugeot's Michel Barge at the launch. "After innovating through the use of our HDi FAP technology in competition, running a hybrid car in endurance racing would give Peugeot a chance to gain extremely valuable experience that would benefit the development of production cars.".

[texasmr2]

This thread is merely based on rumors so offer some proof that it is true ok bud.

where would F1 forums like this one be without the F1 rumour mill? But you demand more proof for this one? hmmmm you seem to take the Alonso to Ferrari rumours as fact wheres your proof there?

Maybe we should have a RUMOURS forum?