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By teeforb
#78704
Sorry guys, but I am a newbie to F1 as I started watching F1 beginning of last year's season. My question to you guys is, why do so many people HATE Lewis? What did he do so wrong for people not to like him. He almost won the championship as a rookie last year. Isn't that considered phenomenal? Am I missing something here? I read these threads seeing how people feel how bad he is, but my eyes see's he is really good. Just like the race where Lewis was in 12th and kimi was behind Lewis and Lewis crept up on everyone in the rain while kimi stay behind. Is that not good? He did a really good job this season racing kimi when lewis cut the shacane, drop back behind kimi, and took kimi's position. Isn't that considered a good driver? PLEASE let me know if I am missing something cause it looks clear to me. Thx!!!
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By onelapdown
#78709
Sorry guys, but I am a newbie to F1 as I started watching F1 beginning of last year's season. My question to you guys is, why do so many people HATE Lewis? What did he do so wrong for people not to like him. He almost won the championship as a rookie last year. Isn't that considered phenomenal? Am I missing something here? I read these threads seeing how people feel how bad he is, but my eyes see's he is really good. Just like the race where Lewis was in 12th and kimi was behind Lewis and Lewis crept up on everyone in the rain while kimi stay behind. Is that not good? He did a really good job this season racing kimi when lewis cut the shacane, drop back behind kimi, and took kimi's position. Isn't that considered a good driver? PLEASE let me know if I am missing something cause it looks clear to me. Thx!!!


There's so many things people have a grudge about. For starters he's a good-looking young fella being paid millions to drive the best cars in the world, live in Switzerland and sleep with a Pussycat Doll. What's not to hate?

I think it first really started for two reasons.

One was that fans that Alonso had brought into the sport had only two or three years of F1 knowledge and didn't really have the knowledge to independently verify some of the things Alonso was saying about him, or to sort out what Alonso actually said from the spin that the Spanish media put on it. And anyone would struggle to unravel the spin the Spanish media put on the spin the British media put on Hamilton. Essentially though, their man was reigning World Champion, and looked like one of the greatest of all time until this little 22 year old Brit showed him up a bit last year. Over a period of months Alonso's public utterances about Hamilton gradually evolved to the point where he was basically accusing McLaren of knobbling his car to favour Lewis, and rather than allow national pride to suffer by thinking Alonso wasn't quite the champ they thought he was, I'm afraid many Spaniards swallowed this hook, line and sinker.

Secondly he has for the last two years been heavily focussed on by the ITV F1 coverage and there are lots of F1 fans, particularly those who support the smaller teams and drivers, who would much prefer a more balanced and objective editorial approach. They're fed up of seeing Lewis's dad, fed up of seeing his brother, and soon they'll be fed up of seeing his girlfriend. I can't blame them for thinking that, but at the same time I can't blame the Hamiltons for being polite and giving the media as much access as they can.

Then there's the ever-present Ferrari-McLaren rivalry, or as I prefer to put it to show the historical context, the Ferrari vs Little British Constructor rivalry. Those who support Williams, McLaren, Etc, or hated Schumacher's racing ethics, or got infuriatingly bored of watching Ferraris winning five titles on the trot, or are fed up of hearing about the "passion" of Scuderia Ferrari, or simply don't like the politics that Ferrari get up to (and have been getting up to for decades), are mortal enemies of Ferrari fans, who in return seem to have developed a sort of siege mentality as a defence mechanism. Add in the spying saga from last year and the ongoing issues about the FIA favouring Ferrari, and the ill feeling between the two has grown even more bitter over the last two years.

Then there's how Hamilton got to F1, which was pretty much because Ron Dennis sponsored him all the way from Karts. To be fair to Hamilton, he's delivered championships at every stage on the racing ladder. But from the point of view of other drivers, who didn't have this back up but achieved titles all the same, it's natural for them to think this a little unfair. Then Hamilton jumps straight into a seat in the best car on the grid, while people like Alonso, Vettel and Massa had to do their F1 apprenticeships in Minardis, Torro Rossos and Saubers. I think there's a hell of a lot of chip-on-shoulder stuff lurking about. And of course the fact that he has been a part of McLaren for so many years, and is so obviously a driver tailor made to Ron Dennis's specifications in terms of his corporate identity, if you go back to the paragraph above he's obviously not going to be a big hit with the more partisan of Ferrari fans.

Then there are issues with Hamilton's attitude, which many people see as this young kid coming out of nowhere and behaving like he owns F1. This really first reared it's head at Monaco last year, when Hamilton made some unwise comments about McLaren preventing him from beating Alonso. Sesoned observers such as myself either thought that Alonso would have beaten him anyway, or that if he wanted favourable treatment he should have qualified on pole, or that McLaren were following the only sain policy at a race like Monaco. To an extent Hamilton has fallen into the trap of believing his own hype, allowing himself to be compared to Senna and such like, but still many people find it hard to accept how much of the hype is justified. There's also a divide between long-time F1 fans who have only ever watched F1 and saw Hamilton come from nowhere, and long-time motor racing fans who follow other formulas and have been aware of Hamilton's talents for many years.

OK, I'm exaggerating in parts, and I am a Hamilton/McLaren fan so I do have some bias myself, but I think that covers most of it.
By teeforb
#78711
WOW, thanks for the detailed explanations. I really appreciate it!!! Sorry for the short "thank you"!!!! :hehe:
By vintage
#78712
Sorry guys, but I am a newbie to F1 as I started watching F1 beginning of last year's season. My question to you guys is, why do so many people HATE Lewis? What did he do so wrong for people not to like him. He almost won the championship as a rookie last year. Isn't that considered phenomenal? Am I missing something here? I read these threads seeing how people feel how bad he is, but my eyes see's he is really good. Just like the race where Lewis was in 12th and kimi was behind Lewis and Lewis crept up on everyone in the rain while kimi stay behind. Is that not good? He did a really good job this season racing kimi when lewis cut the shacane, drop back behind kimi, and took kimi's position. Isn't that considered a good driver? PLEASE let me know if I am missing something cause it looks clear to me. Thx!!!


There's so many things people have a grudge about. For starters he's a good-looking young fella being paid millions to drive the best cars in the world, live in Switzerland and sleep with a Pussycat Doll. What's not to hate?

I think it first really started for two reasons.

One was that fans that Alonso had brought into the sport had only two or three years of F1 knowledge and didn't really have the knowledge to independently verify some of the things Alonso was saying about him, or to sort out what Alonso actually said from the spin that the Spanish media put on it. And anyone would struggle to unravel the spin the Spanish media put on the spin the British media put on Hamilton. Essentially though, their man was reigning World Champion, and looked like one of the greatest of all time until this little 22 year old Brit showed him up a bit last year. Over a period of months Alonso's public utterances about Hamilton gradually evolved to the point where he was basically accusing McLaren of knobbling his car to favour Lewis, and rather than allow national pride to suffer by thinking Alonso wasn't quite the champ they thought he was, I'm afraid many Spaniards swallowed this hook, line and sinker.

Secondly he has for the last two years been heavily focussed on by the ITV F1 coverage and there are lots of F1 fans, particularly those who support the smaller teams and drivers, who would much prefer a more balanced and objective editorial approach. They're fed up of seeing Lewis's dad, fed up of seeing his brother, and soon they'll be fed up of seeing his girlfriend. I can't blame them for thinking that, but at the same time I can't blame the Hamiltons for being polite and giving the media as much access as they can.

Then there's the ever-present Ferrari-McLaren rivalry, or as I prefer to put it to show the historical context, the Ferrari vs Little British Constructor rivalry. Those who support Williams, McLaren, Etc, or hated Schumacher's racing ethics, or got infuriatingly bored of watching Ferraris winning five titles on the trot, or are fed up of hearing about the "passion" of Scuderia Ferrari, or simply don't like the politics that Ferrari get up to (and have been getting up to for decades), are mortal enemies of Ferrari fans, who in return seem to have developed a sort of siege mentality as a defence mechanism. Add in the spying saga from last year and the ongoing issues about the FIA favouring Ferrari, and the ill feeling between the two has grown even more bitter over the last two years.

Then there's how Hamilton got to F1, which was pretty much because Ron Dennis sponsored him all the way from Karts. To be fair to Hamilton, he's delivered championships at every stage on the racing ladder. But from the point of view of other drivers, who didn't have this back up but achieved titles all the same, it's natural for them to think this a little unfair. Then Hamilton jumps straight into a seat in the best car on the grid, while people like Alonso, Vettel and Massa had to do their F1 apprenticeships in Minardis, Torro Rossos and Saubers. I think there's a hell of a lot of chip-on-shoulder stuff lurking about. And of course the fact that he has been a part of McLaren for so many years, and is so obviously a driver tailor made to Ron Dennis's specifications in terms of his corporate identity, if you go back to the paragraph above he's obviously not going to be a big hit with the more partisan of Ferrari fans.

Then there are issues with Hamilton's attitude, which many people see as this young kid coming out of nowhere and behaving like he owns F1. This really first reared it's head at Monaco last year, when Hamilton made some unwise comments about McLaren preventing him from beating Alonso. Sesoned observers such as myself either thought that Alonso would have beaten him anyway, or that if he wanted favourable treatment he should have qualified on pole, or that McLaren were following the only sain policy at a race like Monaco. To an extent Hamilton has fallen into the trap of believing his own hype, allowing himself to be compared to Senna and such like, but still many people find it hard to accept how much of the hype is justified. There's also a divide between long-time F1 fans who have only ever watched F1 and saw Hamilton come from nowhere, and long-time motor racing fans who follow other formulas and have been aware of Hamilton's talents for many years.

OK, I'm exaggerating in parts, and I am a Hamilton/McLaren fan so I do have some bias myself, but I think that covers most of it.


this is a very good reason why people hate on lewis. if you see my previous posts, you would know i dont like hamilton so there is some bias here too but basically its the whole mclaren-mercedes thing. dennis has sponsored hamilton since karting and has been in the very immediate family of mclaren-mercedes. i would have to say this would help his performance, hamilton has been in one of the best cars on the grid all his life. my opinion would change if hamilton could drive the wheels off a toro rosso like vettel does (i know gp2 all run the same car as well as formula bmw, im talking about in the big leagues of f1). this might be hard to see because i dont see hamilton loosing his seat for many years, if ever. a driver such as vettel, who i have liked from the start, deserves a much better seat than he has.
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By onelapdown
#78715
this is a very good reason why people hate on lewis. if you see my previous posts, you would know i dont like hamilton so there is some bias here too but basically its the whole mclaren-mercedes thing. dennis has sponsored hamilton since karting and has been in the very immediate family of mclaren-mercedes. i would have to say this would help his performance, hamilton has been in one of the best cars on the grid all his life. my opinion would change if hamilton could drive the wheels off a toro rosso like vettel does (i know gp2 all run the same car as well as formula bmw, im talking about in the big leagues of f1). this might be hard to see because i dont see hamilton loosing his seat for many years, if ever. a driver such as vettel, who i have liked from the start, deserves a much better seat than he has.

Here we go again...

It may be a reason but I don't see it as a particularly good one I'm afraid. McLaren had a seat vacant, what's Hamilton supposed to do? "No Ron, I don't want a race winning car, I want to slug my guts out every weekend over 12th and 13th place in one of the Spykers..." as if. He was ready to perform in F1, as he's proved over the last two years, so while I'd love to see the likes of Vettel press on and get to challenge for wins, I think resenting Hamilton for the car he drives is a bit, well, silly. And we've seen him hustling a McLaren before now - I still think his performance in Brazil last year is underrated.
By vintage
#78716
this is a very good reason why people hate on lewis. if you see my previous posts, you would know i dont like hamilton so there is some bias here too but basically its the whole mclaren-mercedes thing. dennis has sponsored hamilton since karting and has been in the very immediate family of mclaren-mercedes. i would have to say this would help his performance, hamilton has been in one of the best cars on the grid all his life. my opinion would change if hamilton could drive the wheels off a toro rosso like vettel does (i know gp2 all run the same car as well as formula bmw, im talking about in the big leagues of f1). this might be hard to see because i dont see hamilton loosing his seat for many years, if ever. a driver such as vettel, who i have liked from the start, deserves a much better seat than he has.

Here we go again...

It may be a reason but I don't see it as a particularly good one I'm afraid. McLaren had a seat vacant, what's Hamilton supposed to do? "No Ron, I don't want a race winning car, I want to slug my guts out every weekend over 12th and 13th place in one of the Spykers..." as if. He was ready to perform in F1, as he's proved over the last two years, so while I'd love to see the likes of Vettel press on and get to challenge for wins, I think resenting Hamilton for the car he drives is a bit, well, silly. And we've seen him hustling a McLaren before now - I still think his performance in Brazil last year is underrated.


while yes you could say this and i wouldnt doubt dennis would put in his favorite boy, hamilton, i really think de la rosa would have been a better choice after the many years he has put into the team as a test driver. im not sure on my facts but i think de la rosa got picked up by mclaren-mercedes in 2003. that gives him now 5 years behind the wheel of that car, i would think de la rosa could drive better because he knows the car better. this idea could easily be wrong because f1 isnt just about putting in hours but natural talent. in any case, i think de la rosa should get his deserved f1 seat in mclaren-mercedes.
By FJuan
#78718
Secondly he has for the last two years been heavily focussed on by the ITV F1 coverage and there are lots of F1 fans, particularly those who support the smaller teams and drivers, who would much prefer a more balanced and objective editorial approach. They're fed up of seeing Lewis's dad, fed up of seeing his brother, and soon they'll be fed up of seeing his girlfriend. I can't blame them for thinking that


Onelapdown,

Do you think that with James Allen gone & if the BBC give "a more balanced and objective editorial approach" as you put, that Lewis will enjoy a more positive general attitude towards him.

I am not a Lewis hater but did hate having him force fed to me.

You've described above exactly why some may hate him, not his own fault. I myself am not a Ferrari or Alonso fan. While I may not be a Hamilton fan, I'm no hater either. I'm an F1 fan. There are lots of us out here. What I do hate is the Ferrari/McLaren pen!s measuring competition by the school boy fans that have a George Bush style "you're with us or you're against us" mentality.I also think some of Lewis's own fans are his worse enemy for this reason.

For example the "Weakest Champion" thread, some people got it and discussed who they thought out of all the chapionships had the easiest run, which champions had won harder years than others. Then there were those whose paranoia kicked in and threw up "hater thread". Perhaps the word "weakest" could have been not the right choice.

There is one point that I think that all F1 fans will agree on though. How could we ever get "fed up" with seeing his girlfriend???? More of her and less of Anthony Hamilton I say...
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By racechick
#78807
Sorry guys, but I am a newbie to F1 as I started watching F1 beginning of last year's season. My question to you guys is, why do so many people HATE Lewis? What did he do so wrong for people not to like him. He almost won the championship as a rookie last year. Isn't that considered phenomenal? Am I missing something here? I read these threads seeing how people feel how bad he is, but my eyes see's he is really good. Just like the race where Lewis was in 12th and kimi was behind Lewis and Lewis crept up on everyone in the rain while kimi stay behind. Is that not good? He did a really good job this season racing kimi when lewis cut the shacane, drop back behind kimi, and took kimi's position. Isn't that considered a good driver? PLEASE let me know if I am missing something cause it looks clear to me. Thx!!!


Why dont people like him. Simple. The green eyed monster. Jealousy. Resentment too. :yes:
By big ron
#78811
i really think de la rosa would have been a better choice after the many years he has put into the team as a test driver. im not sure on my facts but i think de la rosa got picked up by mclaren-mercedes in 2003. that gives him now 5 years behind the wheel of that car, i would think de la rosa could drive better because he knows the car better. this idea could easily be wrong because f1 isnt just about putting in hours but natural talent. in any case, i think de la rosa should get his deserved f1 seat in mclaren-mercedes.



You're right, De La Rosa joined after he was dropped by Jaguar. But don't forget that they drive a different car each year as the new model came out so in reality he'd been driving the MP2-22/23 for the same amount of time as Lewis, but Lewis was faster in testing and in the simulator. Besides, they had a safety blanket with Alonso so it wasn't that much of a risk. Not sure if you remember, but Pedro used to ensure a lot of TV coverage for Arrows in '99 and '00 - he was always crashing and going off. We used to joke about it and had a drinking game based on what lap he went out on.
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By McLaren Fan
#78828
There is a reason why people are test drivers...

I should also say that it's that Hamilton has been backed by McLaren for most of his career and been parachuted into a championship-winning car, but that does not tell the full story. McLaren were not prepared to back anybody. Look at people like Alan McNish or Gary Paffett. They were supported McLaren as well, but were not given race seats because they weren't up to standard. Whoever McLaren chose had to be good. The team set Hamilton goals and targets, and he achieved all of them. Moreover, they have more information available to analyse Hamilton's performances than us. They can tell from the telemetry etc. whether or not Hamilton is getting the maximum from his equipment. It is not a simple case that Hamilton is only winning titles because he is in the fastest car.
By al4x
#78831
i dont 'hate' lewis, but im definitly not fond lol

most of it is living in england with an english star and half english team, it gets shoved down ur throats,

i really dislike when [particularly f1] someone like lewis does well, everyone jumps on the bandwagon, fans of other teams get the short straw, on coverage and attention,

i also dislike the. 'and everyone would love to see lewis take the WDC' statements from the press,

ive no doubt itd be worse in germany in the schumacher days or in spain [particularly] when alonso won [good times :) ] but it just grates on me

so thats where my dislike for 'lewis' comes from

i do appreciate he puts up with alot of stick and racism, and even with the penalties and burning ou tyres etc, makes the races interesting
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By sprinter
#78855
Why everybody hate Lewis? Simple, he's good. All F1 drivers some people hates. Just like Schumi., He's one hell fine drivers but, I really hate him because of he's not my favorite team. Then that's BIAS for me. So, all of us has our own opinion and has right to say "Who you hate the most"! For me Ayrton Senna is GOD when is comes to F1. That's all folks.
By Gaz
#78859
There is a reason why people are test drivers...

I should also say that it's that Hamilton has been backed by McLaren for most of his career and been parachuted into a championship-winning car, but that does not tell the full story. McLaren were not prepared to back anybody. Look at people like Alan McNish or Gary Paffett. They were supported McLaren as well, but were not given race seats because they weren't up to standard. Whoever McLaren chose had to be good. The team set Hamilton goals and targets, and he achieved all of them. Moreover, they have more information available to analyse Hamilton's performances than us. They can tell from the telemetry etc. whether or not Hamilton is getting the maximum from his equipment. It is not a simple case that Hamilton is only winning titles because he is in the fastest car.


Yeh exacaly most people just see it as him being gifted a seat in Mclaren but Mclaren were right about lewis 2nd in 07 and a win in 08 and he's never driven in f1 before thats a talented driver.
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By headless
#78869
Read the Lewis Hamilton Dissenters early stages - you'll find out why.
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By McLaren Fan
#78875
Read the Lewis Hamilton Dissenters early stages - you'll find out why.

The trouble what the thread is that people are posting articles from tabloids etc.. Like many, I think Hamilton can be too cocky for his own good, but we've got to the stage now where there is so many lies written about Hamilton you don't know what is and isn't true. Take the infamous "I'm as good as Senna" article. After all the flak Hamilton took for this, it turned out to be completely false: Hamilton did not compare himself to Senna at all.

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