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#67898
From autosport.com:

By Jonathan Noble and Pablo Elizalde Thursday, September 25th 2008, 11:26 GMT

Felipe Massa says he would be a worthy world champion even if he wins the title by one point, despite the controversy of the Belgian Grand Prix.

The Ferrari driver inherited the win at Spa after Lewis Hamilton was penalised for cutting a chicane when battling with Kimi Raikkonen.

The victory allowed Massa to score four points more than Hamilton, who was dropped down to third.

The Briton now leads the Brazilian by just one point with four races to go.

But despite winning the race off the track, Massa is adamant it will not change anything if he goes on to win the title.

"No. Definitely not. If I win the championship by one point, I am the winner. It doesn't change anything," Massa told reporters in Singapore.

The Brazilian insisted he was not interested in dwelling on the controversy, but he did say he thought the FIA decision to reject McLaren's appeal was fair.

"We don't need to think about that - we need to think about the championship, which is open," said Massa of the FIA decision.

"I think it was, in a way, looking at the rules, that the appeal was going to be very difficult for them. But you never know until we have the results. I think the result was pretty fair.

"But I am not thinking about that, I am thinking about this race. It is much more important than the media political pushing, so we need to think about the race – which is our main job."

Massa also said he is not thinking about getting help from teammate Raikkonen in the remaining races, despite the Finn being nearly out of contention.

"I don't expect anything," added Massa. "I expect me to do the best job and if I can win races, all four of them, then that will be best. Otherwise we need to finish in the best position possible.

"I am expecting to do my job in the best way I can, knowing that we have a very good possibility to win the drivers' championship and a very good possibility to win the constructors' championship. We need to think in that direction."


Jacques Villeneuve may have been an average driver, but he legitimately won the 1997 title. If Massa wins the title because of what happened in Belgium, his championship can be regarded as nothing but an undeserved farce.
#67905
If he wins by more than 7 points yes. Otherwise no!
#67911
I just read that on Autosport and I can't believe he really thinks that. Whether or not Hamilton deserved his penalty will be long debated but most seem to agree that Massa didn't seserve to win that day.
#67914
It seems a bit of a strange thing to say but to say he didn't deserve to win in Belgium bears no relevence to me as there have been many drivers over the years that have not deserved to win but do.

Heikki at Hungary did not deserve to win after Massa's blow up springs to mind. A win is a win and just beacuse it was a lucky win does not make any difference as it is still 10 points. I remember when Mansell stupidly turned his engine off at Canada in 1991 waving to the crowd on the last lap and Nelson Piquet came through to win in a Benetton! and he was about 50secs behind Mansell so he did not deserve to win that race but it's in the record books!

If I were Massa I would be doing everything possible to get a 7 point gap to Hamilton IF he wins the title.

PS. I'm new on here so go easy on me :wavey:
#67915
Welcome to the forum. Unfortunately, I have to disagree with you. Things such as cars breaking down is a part of racing. Being screwed over by the system is not.
#67917
I understand your point as breakdowns are part of F1 but sadly so are court cases and bending of the rules theses days!

I have an inpartial view on the Massa v Hamilton title race as I do not support either of them and as a proud Englishman you might find it bizzare that I do not support Hamilton but I just don't and although I admit he seems to have superior driving skills to Massa (just) I don't mind who takes the title as long as it is an exciting end to the season!
#67924
Jacques Villeneuve may have been an average driver, but he legitimately won the 1997 title. If Massa wins the title because of what happened in Belgium, his championship can be regarded as nothing but an undeserved farce.


Spa-gate and that fact that Massa is a very average driver himself, for reasons i have already given in another thread. At least Villeneuve managed a legendary overtaking maneuver in his career (Portugal '96!).
#67932
Whether or not Hamilton deserved his penalty will be long debated but most seem to agree that Massa didn't seserve to win that day.


Honestly, I don't know how anybody could feel that Massa deserved the win that day. He was only the third-best man on the track, and that will never change no matter what penalties are handed for what reason. He simply wasn't on par with Lewis or Kimi. Lewis and Kimi were in a league of their own back in Belgium, racing at a level that was simply beyond Massa. Massa lucked into the number one spot, plain and simple. There's really no other way of looking at it. Yes, Felipe is a great driver, but he simply wasn't any match for Lewis or Kimi in Belgium.
#67933

Jacques Villeneuve may have been an average driver, but he legitimately won the 1997 title. If Massa wins the title because of what happened in Belgium, his championship can be regarded as nothing but an undeserved farce.




Seriously, like it or not officiating controversy is just as much a part of sport as a mechanical failure or a driver error. If Massa wins by one point or 10 he wins. Thats it! I won't like it, but complaining that its not valid is simply foolish.
#67934
Whether or not Hamilton deserved his penalty will be long debated but most seem to agree that Massa didn't seserve to win that day.


Honestly, I don't know how anybody could feel that Massa deserved the win that day. He was only the third-best man on the track, and that will never change no matter what penalties are handed for what reason. He simply wasn't on par with Lewis or Kimi. Lewis and Kimi were in a league of their own back in Belgium, racing at a level that was simply beyond Massa. Massa lucked into the number one spot, plain and simple. There's really no other way of looking at it. Yes, Felipe is a great driver, but he simply wasn't any match for Lewis or Kimi in Belgium.



That's ridiculous! KR you say was racing at a level beyond FM? Yes, and he ended up crashing his car into the wall! Looks very beyond to me, sure :rolleyes:
And LH? He lost his calm, tried a stupid move and got punished for that - poor race craft I'd say.
FM was simply chilling and watching the two cokks duking it out while waiting to pick up the crumbs - very smart and very Prof. Prost-esque. So, in the end FM matched them and trumped them - a deserved winner!
#67941
Let me put this into perspective for you all.
Lewis deserved to win at Belgium as much as Massa deserved to win at Hungary. Now say that lifes a peach, and they did both win their respective races. This is how the points would look right now.
Massa - 85
Hamilton - 81

Now, if anything, its the other way around, and you can start questioning if Lewis won by a single point. hmm.

Lewis pushes his luck a bit to far, and has been cocky on track all year round. Thats what has lost him valuable points. I mean, 5 penalties in one year. Is there record for that somewhere, I really dunno.
#67942
Let me put this into perspective for you all.
Lewis deserved to win at Belgium as much as Massa deserved to win at Hungary. Now say that lifes a peach, and they did both win their respective races. This is how the points would look right now.
Massa - 85
Hamilton - 81

Now, if anything, its the other way around, and you can start questioning if Lewis won by a single point. hmm.

Lewis pushes his luck a bit to far, and has been cocky on track all year round. Thats what has lost him valuable points. I mean, 5 penalties in one year. Is there record for that somewhere, I really dunno.


Impossible to make that statement. What if Massa's engine hadn't given up in Australia? He'd have been on for some points. Likewise with Kimi. And if he hadn't spun out in Malaysia? What about if Lewis hadn't been penalised for blocking in Bahrain and then driven in to the back of Alonso? If he hadn't run in to the back of Kimi and subsequently lost the opportunity to do well at France? What if he hadn't jumped the chicane there? What if Massa hadn't had to come in for that extra stop in Canada? Or hadn't run wide and lost the lead in Monaco? Or spun five times at Silverstone?

You could go on forever and you'd never get an accurate argument for what the point-differences would be if everything had gone as planned in all the other races, so there's really no point doing it now.

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