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By onelapdown
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As Hamilton and Raikkonen approach the Bus Stop Chicane Hamilton edges ahead on the outside.

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As Raikkonen squeezes Hamilton, the McLaren driver decides to cut the corner to avoid an accident. Note that at the point Hamilton crosses the white line (i.e. the earliest point he can be judged to have left the track) his front wheel is virtually level with Raikkonen's rear wheel.

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As Raikkonen exits the corner, Hamilton is about a car's length ahead.

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As the cars cross the first line, Raikkonen has already caught up 1 1/2 car lengths and leads. At this point Raikkonen is known to have been 6kph faster than Hamilton.

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At the second line, Raikkonen's rear wheel is ahead of Hamilton's front wheel.

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Hamilton is at this point TOTALLY behind Raikkonen.

Now take a look at this photo:
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It shows the start of the second lap with Raikkonen in the foreground quite clearly off the track and going past Hamilton, who has spun. If the judgement applied to Hamilton (i.e. that despite giving the position back he gained an advantage from leaving the track, as evidenced by his later overtaking move) were applied in this case, Raikkonen would have to take a penalty as his extra speed out of Eau Rouge allowed him to overtake Hamilton and resulted in part from going off the track rather than cutting inside or stopping. But we all know that would be barmy.

Does anyone have the OFFICIAL wording of the rule that this involves, and/or the wording of the stewards decision?
By tifosi
#63879
Ok, I dont agree with the Hamilton penalty like many many other people dont. But the Raikkonen journey off track, in the picture you posted, is completely different than cutting a corner. Here's an example.... for this example we'll use 2 cars...car #1 will cut the corner at the chicane, as Hamilton did, and the other one will not. The car that cut the corner gained an advantage over the car that took the racing line. (To clear things up, this example is not referring to Hamilton's journey, nor am I saying that Hamilton's penalty was fair). Ok, now for the second part of this example... car #1 takes the 1st corner like it is supposed to be taken.. on the racing line... and car #2 goes wide off track, like Raikkonen did... did car #2 gain an advantage by going wide??? If he did, then why dont drivers do it more often... and also, if one were to gain an advantage from that, then it would surely be against the rules, like "cutting a corner" is. And BTW, Raikkonen didnt cut the corner, he went wide... two different things.
#63933
I see your argument but don't agree. Under normal circumstances, yes, going wide would have been slower rather than quicker. but in THESE circumstances, Raikkonen's alternatives would have been to slow down and either go down the inside of Hamilton or round the outside within the confines of the track. In both cases Raikkonen would have lost time and momentum compared to the line he took which would probably have prevented him from overtaking Hamilton, so by definition he gained an advantage by leaving the track which lead to him gaining a place. I'm not saying, by any means, that Raikkonen should be penalised, simply demonstrating that there are circumstances where gaining an advantage by going off track does not merit a penalty from the stewards. Why the change in application of the rules between the start of the race and the end?
#63993
Why the change in application of the rules between the start of the race and the end?

Because a Ferrari was involved in the incident at the start of the race (and towards the end at Pouhon) and a McLaren was involved in the incident at the end of the race.
#63996
Why the change in application of the rules between the start of the race and the end?

Because a Ferrari was involved in the incident at the start of the race (and towards the end at Pouhon) and a McLaren was involved in the incident at the end of the race.


If you don't mind a bad pun. The FIA really like to Pouhon Mclaren.
#64001
Why the change in application of the rules between the start of the race and the end?

Because a Ferrari was involved in the incident at the start of the race (and towards the end at Pouhon) and a McLaren was involved in the incident at the end of the race.


If you don't mind a bad pun. The FIA really like to Pouhon Mclaren.

:hehe:

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