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#60739
From autosport.com:

By Steven English Thursday, August 14th 2008, 11:08 GMT

The significant changes to Formula One's technical regulations are likely to create a far greater spread in performance between teams next year, according to some of the sport's leading figures.

This season has been one of the closest ever, with the gap between the pace of the first and last cars usually around two seconds per lap in race conditions - a dramatic improvement from even five years ago, when it was nearer four seconds.

The stability of the regulations in the last three seasons has allowed the lesser-funded teams to catch up, as those at the front find there are only minor improvements to be made three years into the development cycle.

The regulations have remained largely untouched since the introduction of 2.4-litre V8 engines after the 2005 season, while the switch to a sole tyre supplier after 2006 allowed the gap to close further.

Force India technical director Mike Gascoyne says the consistency of the rules has allowed teams such as his to make huge strides.

"We've had pretty stable rules for the past few years and that is exactly what has happened," he told this week's Autosport. "There are still those doing a better job, but in the midfield group there are times when you have half a second from seventh to 20th, it's incredibly close.

"If you compare qualifying this year to last year, across all the teams, the average improvement is 0.2 seconds, whereas we're more like 1.4 seconds.

"McLaren and Ferrari are still at the front, but they are generally the teams that have made the least improvement, so you would say those improvements are getting harder to find."

But with regulation changes coming into force in 2009, including KERS systems and a reduction in aerodynamic devices, there will be a much greater window for improvement and teams with greater resources develop at a faster rate.

Although most midfield teams are optimistic of taking a significant step forward, the spread at the season opener in Australia is likely to be far greater than it was this year.

Red Bull Racing's Mark Webber predicts that the new regulations will have a detrimental affect on the spectacle at first.

"The racing hasn't been too bad this year," he told Autosport. "My opinion is that next year it will be much more spread out because people will be getting used to the rules.

"It won't be as good in the short term. Whenever you change the rules, some people get it right and some people get it wrong."


As I've said before, some people are expecting the new rules package to have magical effects next year, but I agree that things could get worse before they get better.
#60745
Worse before they get better? or better before they get worse? Maybe we could see a surprise team dominating the start of the season - who will get it right first? who knows? Its not impossible that, say Honda, or RB hit a magic sweet spot first time and dominate the first 2 or 3 races. One would expect Ferrari & McL to catch up fairly quickly if this does happen, but it would make for an exciting start to the season.
Sadly though I agree that smaller teams will find it more difficult, and take more time to get on the pace.
The fact is that we assume that Ferrari & McL will be the front runners but I have been into F1 long enough to remember teams that utterly dominated and then slipped into oblivion. The most obvious was Lotus. They were absolutely unbeatable, now they dont exist. Even Beneton were a prime runner not so long ago, now as Renault midfield. so lets not assume that Ferrari & McL are invincible.
#60751
Worse before they get better? or better before they get worse? Maybe we could see a surprise team dominating the start of the season - who will get it right first? who knows? Its not impossible that, say Honda, or RB hit a magic sweet spot first time and dominate the first 2 or 3 races. One would expect Ferrari & McL to catch up fairly quickly if this does happen, but it would make for an exciting start to the season.
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The fact is that we assume that Ferrari & McL will be the front runners but I have been into F1 long enough to remember teams that utterly dominated and then slipped into oblivion. The most obvious was Lotus. They were absolutely unbeatable, now they dont exist. Even Beneton were a prime runner not so long ago, now as Renault midfield. so lets not assume that Ferrari & McL are invincible.

You seem to be suggesting here, particularly in the first part of your post, that we will see some teams get it right and others getting it wrong, which would result in less exciting racing. Whether it's Ferrari and McLaren, McLaren and Williams, Renault and Toyota, I don't know.
#60769
id love to see toyota and renault fighting for the top spot, infact anyone but ferrari and mclaren, would be nice

but i think its wishful thinking!

I like Renault a fair bit. They've got some history in Formula 1 and do well considering how low their budget is compared to other teams. Toyota, however: :censored::rolleyes:
#60770
id love to see toyota and renault fighting for the top spot, infact anyone but ferrari and mclaren, would be nice

but i think its wishful thinking!

I like Renault a fair bit. They've got some history in Formula 1 and do well considering how low their budget is compared to other teams. Toyota, however: :censored::rolleyes:


yeah i like mcalren a bit too, not too much, it was my first team i sort of supported,

alot do hate toyota, i can see why but i do think they are ok myself, didnt use to tho
#60771
yeah i like mcalren a bit too, not too much, it was my first team i sort of supported

:nono:
#60772
yeah i like mcalren a bit too, not too much, it was my first team i sort of supported

:nono:


this was way back when i first started watching, dunno how many years now!

i was young and innocent then pml :wink: didnt know the right way to go!
#60773
yeah i like mcalren a bit too, not too much, it was my first team i sort of supported

:nono:


this was way back when i first started watching, dunno how many years now!

i was young and innocent then pml :wink: didnt know the right way to go!

I'm only messing with you. When I first started watching Formula 1, I tended to support drivers for a couple of seasons due to all the hype the drivers' championship gets, before I realised what Formula 1 was really about.
#60775
Toyota, however: :censored::rolleyes:

Hear hear. :D

A lot of people seem to wonder why I'm not too keen on Toyota when they're also powering the Williams team. Perhaps my "football style perspective" is what makes me see them this way. For instance, my favourite team is Sheffield United, and their biggest rivals are Sheffield Wednesday. I see Williams as United and Toyota as Wednesday (funnily enough, United play in Red/white a bit like Toyota's (crap) livery and Wednesday are blue and white like Williams).

Seeing Toyota doing well right now feels to me like this weekend's opening games in the Football League when my beloved United lost in the last minute to Birmingham City by a puny tame Kevin Phillips goal whilst Wednesday ran out 4-1 winners against Burnley.

A lot of people dislike Toyota for their pretty selfish "throw money at everything" approach. Also the team doesn't have any character comparable to privateers over the years, even the ones so rubbish they never pre-qualified a'la Eurobrun.

Back on topic, I think making predictions about anything happening next year is a bit risky. The changes in the regulations are perhaps even bigger than the ones that banned ground-effects, turbo's, Active suspension and even those brought in after the events of Imola 1994. Even though I keep babbling on about how I think the move back to mechanical grip will put Williams back on top, even I feel a little sceptical because it is such a big reset and whatever team has done their homework correctly over the winter will be the ones romping off into the distance at Melbourne next year, whether it's a Williams, Ferrari, McLaren, Red Bull, Renault Toro Rosso, Force India, the Safety Car, a new team or whoever Bruno Senna drives for, nobody will know.
#60816
Worse before they get better? or better before they get worse? Maybe we could see a surprise team dominating the start of the season - who will get it right first? who knows? Its not impossible that, say Honda, or RB hit a magic sweet spot first time and dominate the first 2 or 3 races. One would expect Ferrari & McL to catch up fairly quickly if this does happen, but it would make for an exciting start to the season.
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The fact is that we assume that Ferrari & McL will be the front runners but I have been into F1 long enough to remember teams that utterly dominated and then slipped into oblivion. The most obvious was Lotus. They were absolutely unbeatable, now they dont exist. Even Beneton were a prime runner not so long ago, now as Renault midfield. so lets not assume that Ferrari & McL are invincible.

You seem to be suggesting here, particularly in the first part of your post, that we will see some teams get it right and others getting it wrong, which would result in less exciting racing. Whether it's Ferrari and McLaren, McLaren and Williams, Renault and Toyota, I don't know.


What I meant MF is that the difference between right and 'wrong' is probably only going to be a few 10ths of a second. Of course there wont be a massive difference, and the top teams will be on the pace, but, there is a possibility that a midfield team could get it better and dominate the first few races. Sometimes the best technology is achieved by luck, everyone puts a lot of effort into rulling luck out of the equasion, but it is still there.

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