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#51786
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/25062008/ ... nardi.html

Hamilton only fifth best, claims Minardi.
Wed 25 Jun, 11:30 AM

Former F1 team boss Gian Carlo Minardi has suggested that Lewis Hamilton's inexperience is causing him to make costly mistakes in his second season.

Lewis Hamilton may have slumped to fourth in the Formula One world championship standings, but former team owner Gian Carlo Minardi reckons that the Briton is currently only fifth in the category's pecking order.

Writing his regular column for Minardi's website, the veteran F1 observer included both Ferrari drivers and Canadian Grand Prix winner Robert Kubica ahead of Hamilton - as suggested by the current championship standings - but also included another name above the McLaren pilot.

"In my opinion, as are proven by the facts, the number of drivers better than Hamilton are four," Minardi insisted, "Robert Kubica has not committed errors since the beginning of the [season] and his only non-score [in Australia] came following the incident with [Kazuki] Nakajima, which was not his fault. Without that incident, he would still be far head of the world.

"Another [above Hamilton] is certainly Fernando Alonso. Despite having a machine that is certainly not competitive, he can always pull out something good, bringing his Renault in the first few positions. The, of course, there are the two Ferrari drivers."

Although he subsequently qualified his comments by underlining that there is still a long way to go, both in the championship and for those on his list to alter his perceptions, Minardi echoed other suggestions that Hamilton is showing his lack of years in the top flight.

"Having said everything, [Hamilton] is a driver that has a long road ahead of him and, in the future, we will speak much about him. At the moment, however, he is committing some serious errors of inexperience, even showing an excessive nervousness. Over the next few grands prix, he will certainly need to demonstrate his ability to grow in these respects."

The next grand prix on the calendar might come as both a boost and burden to Hamilton, as the F1 circus rolls into Silverstone for his home race next weekend. The British Grand Prix always brings greater media pressure for the 'local' drivers, with Hamilton likely to be more in demand then fellow countrymen Jenson Button and David Coulthard due to his success, but the McLaren man knows that he needs to focus on driving if he is to get his championship challenge back on track.

"I just want the fans and supporters to know that I'm working as hard as I can, and doing the best job that I can - and so are my team," he said after back-to-back scoreless races, "We are going to be there together and stand together whatever happens."

McLaren has already revealed that it will have further developments for the Briton's MP4-23 at Silverstone, as it maintains its policy of trying to up its performance at every round.


"As a team, we are committed to bringing 0.15secs of lap time improvement to each race," CEO Martin Whitmarsh commented, "We have a three-day test at Silverstone this week and are planning to introduce a range of upgrades that we feel will deliver that performance improvement.

"We introduced quite a lot of aerodynamic components in France, including a new front wing assembly, top wing, winglets and front hub system, which were worth around 0.26secs per lap and, over the summer, we are not only looking at making further aero and mechanical upgrades, but also fuel and lubricants improvements as we seek to boost overall performance in every area.

"It's always difficult to verify precisely the benefits that have been made because you rarely run a back-to-back test at the racetrack to quantify the gains you make. However, looking at our performance during the [French] race, when we were running in clear air and with heavy fuel-loads, I'd say our pace was reasonably promising. That would suggest we were competitive over the weekend and had managed to improve the car."
#51788
Minardi is completely correct in what he says. There are better drivers in Formula One than Hamilton at the moment, but he will improve with time. He clearly has the God-given ability, so it's a case of getting his head into gear and gaining more experience.
#51794
Minardi is completely correct in what he says. There are better drivers in Formula One than Hamilton at the moment, but he will improve with time. He clearly has the God-given ability, so it's a case of getting his head into gear and gaining more experience.


I agree with Minardi.
Hamilton isn't the best, he can be though... but his actions at the moment aren't helping.
When the likes of Alonso and Raikkonen retire. Hamilton may regret not trying to improve himself rather than his crap talking.
Kubica I feel is better than him. Rosberg is ever producing. Give Vettel and Sutil gd cars?
Need to see.
#51842
More poo poo talk.People keep talking out of their bottoms. There is no evidence whatsoever that Alonso is better than lewis even with Lewis' inexperience. Last year Lewis MAY not have been able to set the car up as well as Alonso but he drove it better, and he was a rookie. Kubica-very promising but no better than hamilton on previous categories and not yet been in the line of fire. Kimi and Massa...both make mistakes/have faults and both are way way more experienced. Yes lewis makes mistakes but apaert from kubica(who i think is EASILY the closest to him) he is the least experienced. Yes I agree that lewis has yet to put it all together in F1 but the potential :thumbup: He's close to them all despite his inexperience .......
#51857
More poo poo talk.People keep talking out of their bottoms. There is no evidence whatsoever that Alonso is better than lewis even with Lewis' inexperience. Last year Lewis MAY not have been able to set the car up as well as Alonso but he drove it better, and he was a rookie. Kubica-very promising but no better than hamilton on previous categories and not yet been in the line of fire. Kimi and Massa...both make mistakes/have faults and both are way way more experienced. Yes lewis makes mistakes but apaert from kubica(who i think is EASILY the closest to him) he is the least experienced. Yes I agree that lewis has yet to put it all together in F1 but the potential :thumbup: He's close to them all despite his inexperience .......


In race pace yes Hamilton is up there but in overall ability (car development, testing etc) he is not as good as say Alonso. I do think that 5th is a little low down i put him at joint third with Kubica behind Alonso and Kimi. All drivers make mistakes now and again it has just Hamilton's frequency in recent races that is putting him in the firing line as there is a huge expectation behind him.
#51859
Minardi got it spot on, no one doubts hamiltons raw speed but thats only a part of of the equation in mordern f1 and to be a consistant championship competitor he still has rough edges that need to be sorted out.
In the future he will be great if he can get past all the hype and develop his skills in testing, developing and setting up cars.
I cant remeber someone of his (relitive) inexperiance going straight into race wins and title fights on their first and second seasons
#51864
...Yeah, I really don't think you can rank these drivers in order of ability very easily...
#51868
More poo poo talk.People keep talking out of their bottoms. There is no evidence whatsoever that Alonso is better than lewis even with Lewis' inexperience. Last year Lewis MAY not have been able to set the car up as well as Alonso but he drove it better, and he was a rookie. Kubica-very promising but no better than hamilton on previous categories and not yet been in the line of fire. Kimi and Massa...both make mistakes/have faults and both are way way more experienced. Yes lewis makes mistakes but apaert from kubica(who i think is EASILY the closest to him) he is the least experienced. Yes I agree that lewis has yet to put it all together in F1 but the potential :thumbup: He's close to them all despite his inexperience .......


Well, he did better in his rookie year with Alonso's help than he does in his 2nd year without Alonso's help... was it just luck or was it because of him having useful inputs from Alonso and no pressure being rookie? If that is so, he is not so good being on his own and he is also not so good while being under pressure - 2 elements which are not exactly driving skills but are almost as important.

Also, while you keep drumming that same drum about Lewis being better than Alonso, you do realize they ended up with same number of points and same number of wins... right? So at best, he was just a tinny-whinny better driver than Alonso, but much worst car developer. Put that together and Alonso is better PACKAGE than Lewis - no contest.

Other thing we could consider is - did Lewis better Alonso last year, or did Alonso simply failed to show his full potential due to all circumstances developing in McLaren (I know your answer, don't bother :wink: ). Or, to put it this way - was last year's result due to how good Lewis did, or was it due to how bad Alonso did..?

Some could say McLaren was better last year... but that would be pretty much same as Lewis' hitting on team instead of exercising a bit more self-criticism.
#51869
There is no evidence whatsoever that Alonso is better than lewis even with Lewis' inexperience.


2 World Driver's Championships?

Give the lad time. Talk like this is the reason why so many people jump on the Hamilton backlash bandwagon everytime he messes up.
#51911
id want alot of other drivers in the car before hamilton, not so much cause i dont like him but id definitly rather have alono, kubica, dunno about kimi, probably, and a few others down the grid, but its hard to tell cause of lack of car pace/coverage maybe even rosberg
#52033
I agree completely with Minardi. While the ham may be a great driver, possibly within the top 2-3 drivers currently in F1. His lack of experience has caused mistakes. I know die hard fans (racechick) would immediately disagree cause they have been "hamified". But once ham gains experience and if McLaren can continue there competitiveness he will likely become unbeatable.
#52049
I agree completely with Minardi. While the ham may be a great driver, possibly within the top 2-3 drivers currently in F1. His lack of experience has caused mistakes. I know die hard fans (racechick) would immediately disagree cause they have been "hamified". But once ham gains experience and if McLaren can continue there competitiveness he will likely become unbeatable.

Thank you vegas!! Not been hamified, liked him long before F1 and the press discovered him as I sick of saying. And I like him for the reasons you just stated. You hit the nail on the head! :thumbup:
#52051
There is no evidence whatsoever that Alonso is better than lewis even with Lewis' inexperience.


2 World Driver's Championships?

Give the lad time. Talk like this is the reason why so many people jump on the Hamilton backlash bandwagon everytime he messes up.


Lewis wasnt in those championships.

If Alonso is better then he should have been able to beat lewis, he was a double champion and yet still making errors. lewis was a rookie, erors go with that territory. i dont expect him not to make errors but i get annoyed when people harp on about it while ignoring Alonso making errors aplenty.
#52053
There is no evidence whatsoever that Alonso is better than lewis even with Lewis' inexperience.


2 World Driver's Championships?

Give the lad time. Talk like this is the reason why so many people jump on the Hamilton backlash bandwagon everytime he messes up.


Lewis wasnt in those championships.

If Alonso is better then he should have been able to beat lewis, he was a double champion and yet still making errors. lewis was a rookie, erors go with that territory. i dont expect him not to make errors but i get annoyed when people harp on about it while ignoring Alonso making errors aplenty.


If you are talking bout the errors he is making this year, it isn't really a problem I think. Alonso has nothing to lose pushing hard, he isn't fighting for the title, so he should push as hard.
We all seen in 2005 when the Ferrari was terrible, Schumacher making alot of mistakes, but he was doing the exact same thing, he had nothing to lose and it didn't reduce any of his talent.
#52055
There is no evidence whatsoever that Alonso is better than lewis even with Lewis' inexperience.


2 World Driver's Championships?

Give the lad time. Talk like this is the reason why so many people jump on the Hamilton backlash bandwagon everytime he messes up.


Lewis wasnt in those championships.

If Alonso is better then he should have been able to beat lewis, he was a double champion and yet still making errors. lewis was a rookie, erors go with that territory. i dont expect him not to make errors but i get annoyed when people harp on about it while ignoring Alonso making errors aplenty.


If you are talking bout the errors he is making this year, it isn't really a problem I think. Alonso has nothing to lose pushing hard, he isn't fighting for the title, so he should push as hard.
We all seen in 2005 when the Ferrari was terrible, Schumacher making alot of mistakes, but he was doing the exact same thing, he had nothing to lose and it didn't reduce any of his talent.


I was referring more to last years errors. I realise this year he is trying to make up for the car but that does not excuse that crass move in monacco.
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