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#43319
Ever since the Turkish Grand Prix, a few people seem to be talking about Robert Kubica 'destroying' and 'outperforming' Nick Heidfeld this season.

Now I agree that it seems Robert has a slight edge over the experienced German, but I don't think there is much of a disparity between the two at all, and either one of them can get the job done for BMW this season.

Here are the team's results this season:

Australia: HEI, Q 5th, Race 2nd (8 pts). KUB, Q 2nd, DNF (hit by Nakajima)

Malaysia: HEI, Q 5th, Race 6th (11), fastest lap. KUB, Q 4th, Race 2nd (8), Gap to Heidfeld, - 30.2 seconds.

Bahrain: HEI, Q 6th, Race 4th, (16). KUB, Pole Position, Race 3rd (14). Gap to Heidfeld - 3 seconds.

Spain: HEI, Q 9th, Race 9th (16), drive-through pen. KUB, Q 4th, Race 4th (19). Gap to Heidfeld - 58 seconds.

Turkey: HEI, Q 9th, Race 5th (20). KUB, Q 5th, Race 4th (25). Gap to Heidfeld - 17 seconds.

Now on the face of it, it would appear that Nick has been destroyed by Robert, but not if you analyse the races.

In Melbourne, Kubica qualified on the front row, and should have had pole. He raced strongly early on, but faded after the safety car came out in the middle of the race, before being unlucky to be hit by Nakajima. Heidfeld however, raced really strongly, and was the only driver to keep Hamilton honest late on.

Malaysia: Robert was only 4th on the grid, but got a good start and raced very strongly to a distant second place. Nick got a good start but was hit by Trulli in turn one and forced wide. He fell down to 10th and couldn't make much headway after that, finishing only 6th, just behind Hamilton and Trulli. It's safe to say he had the pace to finish ahead of the pair of them, and probably Kovalainen as well. He set the fastest lap chasing after Hamilton late in the race.

Bahrain: BMW's best weekend yet. Kubica did a brilliant qualifying lap to get pole. Nick was 6th on the grid, but raced well and was generally as fast as his team-mate, in the end finishing only a couple of seconds behind him as they chased the Ferraris hard to within about 5 seconds of the red cars.

In Spain, Kubica qualified well and latched onto the tail of the top 3, who were within 4 seconds of each other. Heidfeld was running a nice fifth after the demise of Kovalainen and Alonso, until he was forced to pit under the safety car which cost him at least that 5th place if not more. As a result of the penalty he got stuck behind Button, Nakajima and Trulli, and he had no chance to overtake on that particular track.

This weekend in Turkey looked a lot worse than it was for Nick in relation to Kubica. Robert again got the best out of his tyres to be 5th on the grid, while Nick struggled into 9th place. Kubica's race was lonely after Kimi got past and he finished 4th, helped by Heikki's dramas. Nick got a good start, making up a couple of positions, and once he jumped Alonso and Webber at the first stops, he knew fifth was the best he could do. He wasn't pushing for most of the race, knowing that he couldn't catch Kubica and the Renault and Red Bull weren't a threat to his position.

Mario Theissen has said that Nick struggles to warm up his tyres effectively in qualifying, but makes up for it in the race with 'great overtaking moves'. he says it is no different to last year, when Robert struggled with the new control tyres.

I think they're both fantastic drivers, and perfect for this team. People look at the results all the way down F1, and if two team-mates have trouble-free runs and there is a big gap between them, they automatically assume one driver isn't as good as the other one.

For example in Turkey, there was a 17 second gap between NH and RK. 7 seconds of that was probably Nick being behind FA and MW, and the other 10 was probably Robert pushing really hard to try and fend off Raikkonen. It doesn't mean that RK is in any way better than Nick is.

Oh and Nick can't be such a bad qualifier, after all he did get pole at the Nurburgring in 2005: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_j8V1Z7mVk
#43327
Robert and Nick are honestly an excellent pair. I think Robert is just flat out better at qualifying, but to be honest I think Nick is better in a race. If Nick started in pole at Bahrain, Massa wouldnt have gotten by him like he passed Robert before the first corner.
#43329
I don’t believe that Robert is better then Nick. They are so equal, Nick is Mr Consistency and Robert is fast on a single lap but the problem is that its more important where you start then how consistent you are in the race. That’s why Robert is always ahead, I don’t think one is faster then the other I just think that Robert has an advantage being fast in the quail lap but he cant keep those awesome laps consistent. At the end of the race they are right behind each other because they are so equal unlike Ferrari. Whoever gets ahead in the first corner is ahead for the whole race.
#43330
Kubica has had Nick Covered in Qualifying and in the Races this season, the only time Nicks finished ahead was in Australia and that was due to the numerous safety cars ruining peoples races like Robert and Heikki.
#43334
Nick's a good driver but I think Robert is a more dedicated/ball's to the wall driver. If BMW does not contend for the WDC/WCC over the next two year's I would like to see Robert move to McLaren or Ferrari. IMHO he as a driver has the speed and skill but he's not in the ride that will give him the opportunity to shine, he's only making the car better and limiting his ability to truelly prove his skill.
#43341
Nick's a good driver but I think Robert is a more dedicated/ball's to the wall driver. If BMW does not contend for the WDC/WCC over the next two year's I would like to see Robert move to McLaren or Ferrari. IMHO he as a driver has the speed and skill but he's not in the ride that will give him the opportunity to shine, he's only making the car better and limiting his ability to truelly prove his skill.


Heikki and Lewis for Mclaren ;) Not shifting MY MAN! i.e. Heikki :mrgreen:

I think Robert and Nick make a great team, I have always enjoyed watching Nick race, and Robert is also now a pleasure to watch.
#43368
kubica is ahead of nick in the driver's table and that is because he start further up the grid and so finishes further up the grid. If BMW win this season it will come from Kubica he is the man for me with the raw talent and that can be converted into consistent performances. Nick is a consistent but if he hasn't been fast for the past 9 years i don't think he is going to start now
#43372
Now on the face of it, it would appear that Nick has been destroyed by Robert, but not if you analyse the races.


Well... i think Robert has destroyed Heidfeld :? To my surprise actually.
I thought Nick was going to do much better than Robert... but if there is anything to point at, i'd say the BMW does not fit Nick's style as well as it fits Kubica's and because of it Nick is sort of struggling in Q; this places him in the difficult situations the midfield has to offer... :|
#43385
With the much greater pace of McLaren, BMW and Ferrari, anyone who doesn't qualify well (Nick) is gonna get stuck behind peeps like Alonso.

Robert can steer clear of that to some extent.
#43386
Kubica's got the edge over Heidfeld right now. Heidfeld's qualifying performances haven't been anything spectacular either putting him behind the likes of Alonso. At Melbourne a lot of people were saying the BMW is more suited to Kubica's driving style than Heidfeld and that could be a factor in why Kubica has the upper hand.
#43391
With the much greater pace of McLaren, BMW and Ferrari, anyone who doesn't qualify well (Nick) is gonna get stuck behind peeps like Alonso.

Robert can steer clear of that to some extent.


fa will be ready to pounce on any of the top 6 that have problems
#43401
If the midfield pack keep up their development rate, Heidfeld could well end up dropping out of the top 10. :shock:
#43410
If the midfield pack keep up their development rate, Heidfeld could well end up dropping out of the top 10.


Q2 in Turkey should have been his wake-up call.

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