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[McLaren Fan]

From autosport.com:

By Jonathan Noble Friday, November 9th 2007, 18:40 GMT

At least 15 engineers at Renault knew about the McLaren technical information that is at the centre of the latest spy investigation, autosport.com has learned.

Renault are to face a hearing of the FIA World Motor Sport Council next month to answer charges that they had in their possession intellectual property belonging to McLaren.

This information was part of a number of floppy disks that engineer Phil Mackareth brought with him to the Enstone team from McLaren in September 2006.

Renault have admitted that Mackareth had the information transferred to his computer at Renault, and showed scale drawings to 'some engineers', but are adamant that the details were not used to influence their car design.

McLaren have also conducted their own investigation into the matter at Renault's Enstone headquarters, having used the independent Kroll company, and it is believed a dossier of evidence about the matter has been submitted to the FIA.

Autosport.com understands that Renault and McLaren's investigations have revealed that more than 15 engineers in total examined the information from McLaren, which included details on the 2007 car. It is believed each of these has confirmed the fact in writing.

Sources have suggested that the engineers are not just junior staff members, but also include head of vehicle performance and R&D, deputy technical director, deputy chief designer and chief designer Tim Densham.

The extent of knowledge within Renault about the McLaren information mirrors similar claims surrounding the McLaren/Ferrari case, where the depth of the knowledge about Ferrari secrets extended well beyond just chief designer Mike Coughlan.

I would like to retract a remark I made before: Renault's situation is not similar to what McLaren did, it's far worse.

Shame on Flavio Briatore, again. He calls McLaren cheats, despite his actions in 1994, and his team in 2006/7 is even more corrupt.

[onelapdown]

Does anone else find it amusing that while F1 is the supposed pinnacle of technology, one of these incidents involved three old floppy discs, while the other involved a photocopyer?

[Ron Dennis]

Does anone else find it amusing that while F1 is the supposed pinnacle of technology, one of these incidents involved three old floppy discs, while the other involved a photocopyer?

i find it puzzling that anyone from McLaren would go to a public copy shop when there are probably a couple of dozen photocopiers in the McLaren factory as well as all kinds of printing equipment.

Unless of course the person wanter to be caught....

The FIA have no choice but to fine Renault $100,000,000 and strip their points in 2007.

But at least when they get pushed to the bottom of the pit lane, they will have much classier neighbors than the team at the top.

[McLaren Fan]

Does anone else find it amusing that while F1 is the supposed pinnacle of technology, one of these incidents involved three old floppy discs, while the other involved a photocopyer?

i find it puzzling that anyone from McLaren would go to a public copy shop when there are probably a couple of dozen photocopiers in the McLaren factory as well as all kinds of printing equipment.

Unless of course the person wanter to be caught....

The FIA have no choice but to fine Renault $100,000,000 and strip their points in 2007.

But at least when they get pushed to the bottom of the pit lane, they will have much classier neighbors than the team at the top.

I'm sure neighbourly relations will be friendly. Renault spying on McLaren and McLaren grassing them up, made all the more funny by Briatore calling McLaren cheats.

[Ron Dennis]

yeah Flavio's comments made during McLarengate or Coughlingate and his holier than thou attitude is made very comical now....

Bah Sunderland 1 - 1 Newcastle booooo we deserved to beat the mags!

[7UpJordan]

yeah Flavio's comments made during McLarengate or Coughlingate and his holier than thou attitude is made very comical now....

Bah Sunderland 1 - 1 Newcastle booooo we deserved to beat the mags!

You a Sunderland fan?

[Ron Dennis]

born and bred

[pit_babe]

Does anone else find it amusing that while F1 is the supposed pinnacle of technology, one of these incidents involved three old floppy discs, while the other involved a photocopyer?

i find it puzzling that anyone from McLaren would go to a public copy shop when there are probably a couple of dozen photocopiers in the McLaren factory as well as all kinds of printing equipment.

Unless of course the person wanter to be caught....

The FIA have no choice but to fine Renault $100,000,000 and strip their points in 2007.

But at least when they get pushed to the bottom of the pit lane, they will have much classier neighbors than the team at the top.

I doubt the FIA will punish Renault as they did Mclaren. MM has a problem with RD but BE and FB are biz partners

[Ron Dennis]

sux to be ron dont it!

[nikon133]

Does anone else find it amusing that while F1 is the supposed pinnacle of technology, one of these incidents involved three old floppy discs, while the other involved a photocopyer?

i find it puzzling that anyone from McLaren would go to a public copy shop when there are probably a couple of dozen photocopiers in the McLaren factory as well as all kinds of printing equipment.

Unless of course the person wanter to be caught....

The FIA have no choice but to fine Renault $100,000,000 and strip their points in 2007.

But at least when they get pushed to the bottom of the pit lane, they will have much classier neighbors than the team at the top.

I doubt the FIA will punish Renault as they did Mclaren. MM has a problem with RD but BE and FB are biz partners

It will be hard to explain not applying same punishment... but if someone can do it, FIA can. And going after heart is prone to produce some weird results, anyway...

[cir34]

Does anone else find it amusing that while F1 is the supposed pinnacle of technology, one of these incidents involved three old floppy discs, while the other involved a photocopyer?

i find it puzzling that anyone from McLaren would go to a public copy shop when there are probably a couple of dozen photocopiers in the McLaren factory as well as all kinds of printing equipment.

Unless of course the person wanter to be caught....

The FIA have no choice but to fine Renault $100,000,000 and strip their points in 2007.

But at least when they get pushed to the bottom of the pit lane, they will have much classier neighbors than the team at the top.

I doubt the FIA will punish Renault as they did Mclaren. MM has a problem with RD but BE and FB are biz partners

It will be hard to explain not applying same punishment... but if someone can do it, FIA can. And going after heart is prone to produce some weird results, anyway...

what has renault done wrong. an ex employee of mac had information with him when he came to work for them. unless they siolicited that information when he was at mac they are not to blame . it is a problem between mac and the ex employee. in the case of ferrari and mac employees at mac were actively soliciting information from an employee of ferrari .

[Ron Dennis]

Does anone else find it amusing that while F1 is the supposed pinnacle of technology, one of these incidents involved three old floppy discs, while the other involved a photocopyer?

i find it puzzling that anyone from McLaren would go to a public copy shop when there are probably a couple of dozen photocopiers in the McLaren factory as well as all kinds of printing equipment.

Unless of course the person wanter to be caught....

The FIA have no choice but to fine Renault $100,000,000 and strip their points in 2007.

But at least when they get pushed to the bottom of the pit lane, they will have much classier neighbors than the team at the top.

I doubt the FIA will punish Renault as they did Mclaren. MM has a problem with RD but BE and FB are biz partners

thats is good spin - maybe a job for Ferrari awaits you good buddy - or maybe Hillary Clintons mob - they love to bend the truth and to spin lies
It will be hard to explain not applying same punishment... but if someone can do it, FIA can. And going after heart is prone to produce some weird results, anyway...

what has renault done wrong. an ex employee of mac had information with him when he came to work for them. unless they siolicited that information when he was at mac they are not to blame . it is a problem between mac and the ex employee. in the case of ferrari and mac employees at mac were actively soliciting information from an employee of ferrari .

why did my post vanish?

ok i will say it again

A nice attempt to SPIN the truth out of all recognition!

but when it looks like b/s, smells like b/s and wears a t-shirt proclaiming 'i am b/s' then in probably is b/s

[bud]

what has renault done wrong. an ex employee of mac had information with him when he came to work for them. unless they siolicited that information when he was at mac they are not to blame . it is a problem between mac and the ex employee. in the case of ferrari and mac employees at mac were actively soliciting information from an employee of ferrari .

so by what youre saying, if Stepney left Ferrari and got a job for McLaren and brought the 780 page dossier with him its alright to use it?

when you work for an employee anything you design or create belongs to that company, its not your property! even if this designer came up with it all, he wasnt allowed to bring the computer files with him to Renault for use!

[Ron Dennis]

damn right Bud - and the FIA have no choice but to Bannish Renault to the bottom of the pit lane and fine them $100,000,000

[texasmr2]

damn right Bud - and the FIA have no choice but to Bannish Renault to the bottom of the pit lane and fine them $100,000,000

I agree, what's good for the goose is good for the gander so to speak.