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#439740
My proposed version of qualifying for 2016

Due to the current state of qualifying and the need to shake things up. This is my idea of a qualifying session which might produce something different to the session itself and to the race day.

Qualifying format: Q1

20 minutes: all drivers head out and set a maximum of 2 timed laps during the first 10 minutes of the session. This is going to be a critical time to be out on track and setting a quick lap.

After the first 10 minutes of the session the top 10 drivers stay in the garage and are through to Q2 and will take no further part in Q1.

The next 10 minutes allows a clearer track for the remaining 12 drivers to set 2 more flying laps, if needed. Regardless of the times set during this portion of the session the drivers are battling to get into the next session and need to set a time faster than the 15th place man to get through to the next round.

If a driver like say Hamilton finds himself in this session and sets a time which would beat the pole time in the first 10 minutes. This still only pushes him to 11 position during this portion of qualifying. But he will be through to the next round where he still gets to fight for 1st place.

Drivers during this 2nd 10 minute session are fighting for a place in the next round not for grid slots but it removes the top ten to allow a clearer track. After this 10 minutes session the bottom 5 are out and will remain in their relative positions for the race.

Remember though, you are only aloud 2 timed laps during each portion of Q1 so countering someone else's lap time is crucial and being on track at the right time as it evolves.

Q2: Another 20 minute session

First 10 minutes, 2 timed laps if required, as before in Q1 but the top 8 drivers will then remain in the pit and are through to Q3.

The 2nd 10 minutes of the session will determine grid positions for all remaining drivers on track for positions between 9th and 16th place.

2 flying laps only per driver maximum.

Q3 15 minutes.

8 drivers remain in this session, the top 8. Limitless laps during this session but all drivers must use the medium compound tyre and will start the race on the medium tyre that they set the fastest lap on during this session.

This will allow drivers who qualified below 8th place to have more grip with the choice of tyre and maybe opting for soft tyres and possibly make places off the start and be more racier in the first part of the race.

This will be very hard to predict strategies.

If qualifying takes place during wet conditions. All drivers will start on the relative best tyre for current conditions if racing continues in the wet.

If qualifying is wet but the race is dry. All drivers will be given the choice of tyre that best suits their own strategy & visa versa regarding the weather and tyres, wet qualifying - dry race.

Also during the first 10 minute session of Q1 and Q2 a driver setting a lap as the clock goes past the 10 minute mark will not count. He will not be aloud to finish the lap.

During the 2nd portion of Q1 and Q2 a driver setting a time as the clock finishes the session will be aloud to finish his lap and the time will stand.

During Q3 a driver setting a lap as the clock finishes will also be aloud to finish the lap and the time will stand.
#439751
Still not sure of what was so wrong with the previous qualifying structure. We are planning on going to the Montreal race. If qualifying is improved we don't see any point to waste both time and $ attending the session.
#439758
Looks like we're not the only ones trying to figure out what needs to be done next...

I'll post the three options separately, to make it easier to discuss the pros and cons of each...

 wrote:">WHY F1 IS DESPERATE FOR A PLAN TO FIX SELF-INFLICTED QUALIFYING WOES

...There are three options as we see it.
F1 qualifying

1. Go back to the old format

The most dramatic solution in many ways would be to abandon the idea of elimination altogether and go back to qualifying as it was in recent seasons.
Bernie Ecclestone had suggested reversing the top ten, but settled on this compromise of elimination. He was keen to see a change, because Mercedes are too strong,
“If we go back to the old system, I tell you what would happen: Mercedes would be first and second,” he told Autosport after the session. “Pretty simple. What I don’t want to see is where you and I could predict how the grid is going to be for the start of a race, and how that race is going to finish.”
The timing systems have been reworked in recent weeks by Ecclestone’s FOM staff at Biggin Hill; many sleepless nights to get it ready in time and there would be pressure to re-code it before Bahrain if the decision was made to axe elimination altogether. But it could be done. Judging from social media, this would be the most popular option with fans...
#439759
 wrote:">WHY F1 IS DESPERATE FOR A PLAN TO FIX SELF-INFLICTED QUALIFYING WOES

...There are three options as we see it.
F1 qualifying

2. Go back to the Sporting Directors’ plan, mixing the old and the new
The plan hatched in Barcelona among the Sporting Directors and Whiting would maintain the first two parts of elimination qualifying, but then revert to a shoot-out of 8 or 10 cars for 10 minutes, as in the past.
This would have the effect of making the less interesting parts of the session more dramatic, but maintain the integrity of the battle for pole position. There were many operational mistakes made by teams in Q1 and Q2 that they would be less likely to make next time, after they have had a chance to analyse and review this session. That would probably result in a more dramatic Q1 and Q2 session, where reversals like Jolyon Palmer making it through to Q2 at the expense of Marcus Ericsson would be more commonplace...
#439760
 wrote:">WHY F1 IS DESPERATE FOR A PLAN TO FIX SELF-INFLICTED QUALIFYING WOES

...There are three options as we see it.
F1 qualifying

3. Keep the new format but extend the elimination period and cut the final session to a five minute sprint
One of the most non-sensical things about the new format was that it introduced real pressure onto the teams and the drivers in the first two sessions, but then there was no pressure in Q3 after the first run; apart from Rosberg needing a second run to get ahead of the Ferrari, no-one had any incentive to do anything.
Fourteen minutes is too long for the final session of eight cars, where they all go at once. So give the drivers one final blast on a new set of the softest tyres to see who can go the fastest. If you make a mistake, there’s no time to rectify it. Meanwhile, the 90 seconds isn’t long enough for the elimination, as Gutierrez showed. When a lap takes 92 seconds or more, it’s too restrictive, so elimination every two minutes would be better...
#439761
James Allen's conclusion:

 wrote:">WHY F1 IS DESPERATE FOR A PLAN TO FIX SELF-INFLICTED QUALIFYING WOES

...A vote will be needed to make any changes, but a plan needs to be put in place to make any change – even if it is back to the old system – given the on again-off again way in which it was implemented in the first place.
The other question is why this scenario has played out as it has. Is it just very poor planning and a dysfunctional rule making process between the teams, FIA and FOM, or is there something darker at work here, aimed at creating embarrassment in certain quarters?
The reaction from the stakeholders and who drives the next move will tell us a great deal.
#439762
Hi, there! Welcome!

Much as I appreciate the time and effort, to be honest,
it's confusing for me to follow!!


I think you just need to read it over a few times to get the gist. It's pretty simple really :-)
#439766
Hi, there! Welcome!

Much as I appreciate the time and effort, to be honest,
it's confusing for me to follow!!

I think you just need to read it over a few times to get the gist. It's pretty simple really :-)

I agree with sagi58, it's too complicated, we need a simple formula for it to work. I feel there was nothing really wrong with the 2015 format and the resistance to go back seems incredibly stupid. I'm old school and liked the old 60min/12 lap format, which is the simplest of all, but I seriously doubt that will return.

Kimi Raikkonen summed it up perfectly, "Formula One must look "stupid" to outsiders as "politics and bulls***" reaches crazy levels in the sport."
#439768
It is better than the elimination qually Jay.

But what I prefer above all is the 1 hour 12 laps each best time gets pole. Simple and exciting to the very end.
Last edited by overboost on 03 Apr 16, 23:28, edited 2 times in total.
#439772
Hi, there! Welcome!

Much as I appreciate the time and effort, to be honest,
it's confusing for me to follow!!


I think you just need to read it over a few times to get the gist. It's pretty simple really :-)


You're probably right... I'll try again!!
#439783
Aggregate qually proposed:

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Vettel's reaction:

However, Ferrari's Vettel is already not a fan, telling Sky Sports News HQ: "It's time to go to the circus.

"It's a good idea if you want random things to happen, but Formula 1 should be about racing. It's a s*** idea."


http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... g-proposal

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