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[darwin dali]

"Whilst McLaren wish to continue their full co-operation with any investigation into this matter, they do wish to make it very clear that the documents and confidential information were only in the possession of one currently suspended employee on an unauthorised basis and no element of it has been used in relation to McLaren's Formula One cars."


Ok, so what constitutes use here? Are they telling us that they didn't even look at those blueprints? For those being 'useful' to McLaren, they don't NEED to be used/applied/added to their cars. It's valuable information per se, such as in what direction Ferrari plan to go in their development steps, timelines, etc., that may influence McLaren's reaction and strategies.
Make no mistake, these official statements are very, very carefully crafted - with the help of lawyers!

[bud]

DD youre past your USED by date theres a definition for ya!

i think you should wait til this goes through the courts and the FIA before you go out and accuse McLaren of copying. they cant controll the actions of ONE employee but neither could Ferrari. and if Ferrari had better control of their employee Stepney none of this would ever of happened. Unless Ferrari wanted it to

[darwin dali]

Where you get that I accuse McLaren of copying beats me. And same to you: let the thing go through the courts and the FIA before you go out and accuse Ferrari of conspiring...

[Marco]

If DD wrote the news we'd have sensational articles like, "McLaren copy Ferrari in four round tyres shocker" or "McLaren follow Ferrari and fit a steering wheel".

There's no way McLaren would use leaked information from Ferrari, although I don't believe any team is innocent of not analysing team hardware in the public domain to shape their design decisions.

[Selcouth_Feline]

Marco - I disagree,

If Coughlan did have copies of confidential information (and as he's come to an 'agreement' with Ferrari which appears to have neatly coincided with the FIA calling McLaren in), how can you definitively say that nothing that came out of his head afterwards had anything to do with Ferrari?

As chief designer, if he saw all of Ferrari's secrets, I'm sure there's something that is going to influence at least some of his decisions on the McLaren car. However, unless there is some sort of direct copying, there is no way of knowing or proving what did or didn't influence him.

[bud]

Selcouth look at the time frame it takes to develop an F1 car. the 22 was in development a year before coughlan even got his hands on this data and im sure none of it would have made the 22 a better car as its a totally different chassis.
McLaren and Ferrari have gone different routes with their aero, the only similarity with the chassis's are they are both zero keel which i might add McLaren invented go figure

also why didnt the FIA have the same respnonse to the Toyota case? nice bullpoo excuse they gave, do they do what ever ferrari says at a whim? faggots

[welshie]

So who here know EXACTLY what documents were involved?!

[Fact Man]

Selcouth wrote: If Coughlan did have copies of confidential information (and as he's come to an 'agreement' with Ferrari which appears to have neatly coincided with the FIA calling McLaren in).

Don't you find it interesting that he's come to an "agreement" with Ferrari. Why would you want to come to an agreement with the man who stole valuable info from you.

Coughlan (a McLaren employee who is accused of stealing info from Ferrari) come to an agreement with them and now is in the clear but McLaren who most likely did not use any info is now in trouble. Is it conspiracy or facts? Just leave it to the Ferrari Spin Machine!

[darwin dali]

Also in Coughlan's possession, however, were items including detailed reports from Grand Prix races and test sessions -- not necessarily data that can be simply applied to a rivals' car but still in breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code.

[bud]

Yes darwin that is correct so we can implement Mclaren because of one personell? we still dont know whether this data was meant for McLaren or Honda. and i thin this is all floating Ferraris'boat abit i mean it makes it out no one is as good as ferrari unless they copy them, which obviously out of the front runners isnt the case. .. hopfeully the truth prevails and ferraris politcal status ammounts to nothing.,

one thing is for certain.... say ferrari were comfortably ahead in the title standings they wouldnt make as big as a deal as they have, as they did with toyota. typical ferrari for you! soft chicken italian faggots

[Alien_SAP_Fiend]

Yes darwin that is correct so we can implement Mclaren because of one personell? we still dont know whether this data was meant for McLaren or Honda. and i thin this is all floating Ferraris'boat abit i mean it makes it out no one is as good as ferrari unless they copy them, which obviously out of the front runners isnt the case. .. hopfeully the truth prevails and ferraris politcal status ammounts to nothing.,

one thing is for certain.... say ferrari were comfortably ahead in the title standings they wouldnt make as big as a deal as they have, as they did with toyota. typical ferrari for you! soft chicken italian faggots

Something tells me you're not too happy with this situation, Bud.

[darwin dali]

Today: McLaren can confirm from its own investigation that no Ferrari materials or data are or have ever been in the possession of any McLaren employee other than the individual sued by Ferrari. The fact that he held at his home unsolicited materials from Ferrari was not known to any other member of the team prior to the 3rd July 2007.

Furthermore, McLaren has categorically established that no Ferrari information has at any stage been used to develop its car.


I'm confused. Coughlan's sworn affidavit allegedly states that he did show/tell other people at McLaren.

"It's true," Coughlan reportedly wrote in his sworn statement. "I had all the designs.

"It was my responsibility. I showed those designs to McLaren and not just to (Managing Director) Jonathan Neale but to others as well.

"Everyone reacted the same way and told me to get rid of them."
Coughlan did not confirm that Ferrari's Nigel Stepney sent him the material, explaining that he received the package from a courier mail service.

[bud]

I'm confused.

Derrr!

Coughlan's sworn affidavit allegedly states that he did show/tell other people at McLaren.
Coughlan reportedly

Key words, why dont you wait til we get some better sources than a biased italian newspaper

[Alien_SAP_Fiend]

Today: McLaren can confirm from its own investigation that no Ferrari materials or data are or have ever been in the possession of any McLaren employee other than the individual sued by Ferrari. The fact that he held at his home unsolicited materials from Ferrari was not known to any other member of the team prior to the 3rd July 2007.

Furthermore, McLaren has categorically established that no Ferrari information has at any stage been used to develop its car.

What they DON'T say is whether or not this information was used to help them prepare the letter about the Flexi floor.

And they don't deny that the material was shown to anybody, they just say that one guy had it at home.

It's what Mclaren are NOT saying and what they DIDN'T say when they were shown the materials which is important.

[darwin dali]

Correction: they do say they didn't even know of the material until July 3rd:
"The fact that he held at his home unsolicited materials from Ferrari was not known to any other member of the team prior to the 3rd July 2007."
So, they actually deny that the material was shown to them before that time.