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What's Burning? wrote:Some people are afraid of change, any change. Electricity is the one source of power that can be gathered in perpetuity for free once the initial investment has been made.
It's not about change.
It's about the fact that the initial investment necessary for us to be an electrically-powered world is not a financial possibility, for most countries, at the moment.
Yes, wind turbines have been proven to work in many communities, around the world. And, yes, in Ontario with all the hydroelectric generating plants, it would probably be easier to convert; but, that doesn't mean it would be financially feasible to do that in our life time.
And, yes, of course, we need to start "some time"! Just not sure that beleaguered taxpayers are ready for it, at the moment.
For those actually interested in the truth - its generally accepted that electricity costs about 1p per mile (£0.01) up to 2p depending on how much extra you are charged for electricity away from home etc, so this trip would have cost £33.9 about $50
Obviously there is little point comparing that to an ICE trip
What's Burning? wrote:Did you miss the part about Tesla financing and building these stations themselves?
Nope!! But, I do know companies can say/propose/guarantee anything they like to get people on board, so reading between the lines is obviously important, when it comes to business. Financing and building the stations is only one part of the costs; but, my questions aren't covered by that:
sagi58 wrote:... For how long will Tesla supply free Superchargers to consumers, when this vehicle makes it to the market? Does Tesla plan on supplying them free "forever"? If not, how much is a Supercharger going to cost? What sort of maintenance / repairs can one anticipate? How much do they cost? Who is authorized to perform the service? What sort of warranty is available? Does it become void, if anyone other than authorized service centers perform maintenance on the vehicle?
maybe you missed the part about the governments funding an infrastructure of electric charging stations as the need begins to rise (internet searches help with this), which it wont if we all listened to the likes of Luca di montezedodo and concluded that electricity was a scam and fossil fuel burning ICE's are really not that bad
What's Burning? wrote:Did you miss the part about Tesla financing and building these stations themselves?
Nope!! But, I do know companies can say/propose/guarantee anything they like to get people on board, so reading between the lines is obviously important, when it comes to business. Financing and building the stations is only one part of the costs; but, my questions aren't covered by that:
sagi58 wrote:... For how long will Tesla supply free Superchargers to consumers, when this vehicle makes it to the market? Does Tesla plan on supplying them free "forever"? If not, how much is a Supercharger going to cost? What sort of maintenance / repairs can one anticipate? How much do they cost? Who is authorized to perform the service? What sort of warranty is available? Does it become void, if anyone other than authorized service centers perform maintenance on the vehicle?
So why the complaint? If you're not sure a manufacturer has answered your questions appropriately you don't have to buy it. Some people though feel that's not enough, it has to be actively demonized as well. Go figure.
"I don't want to be part of a forum where everyone has differing opinions." Boom...
What's Burning? wrote:So why the complaint? If you're not sure a manufacturer has answered your questions appropriately you don't have to buy it. Some people though feel that's not enough, it has to be actively demonized as well. Go figure.
Do tell, how is asking for clarification a complaint? Those questions need to be answered before anyone can stand on a soap box and rebuke anyone who is not on board with this sort of innovation!
What's Burning? wrote:So why the complaint? If you're not sure a manufacturer has answered your questions appropriately you don't have to buy it. Some people though feel that's not enough, it has to be actively demonized as well. Go figure.
Do tell, how is asking for clarification a complaint? Those questions need to be answered before anyone can stand on a soap box and rebuke anyone who is not on board with this sort of innovation!
And that's your opinion. Investors seem to disagree, but what do they know.
"I don't want to be part of a forum where everyone has differing opinions." Boom...
What's Burning? wrote:So why the complaint? If you're not sure a manufacturer has answered your questions appropriately you don't have to buy it. Some people though feel that's not enough, it has to be actively demonized as well. Go figure.
Do tell, how is asking for clarification a complaint? Those questions need to be answered before anyone can stand on a soap box and rebuke anyone who is not on board with this sort of innovation!
And that's your opinion. Investors seem to disagree, but what do they know.
Investors know they have money they are willing to "gamble" with.
(( I don't. And, that's not an opinion, that's a fact, Jack! J))
What's Burning? wrote:So why the complaint? If you're not sure a manufacturer has answered your questions appropriately you don't have to buy it. Some people though feel that's not enough, it has to be actively demonized as well. Go figure.
Do tell, how is asking for clarification a complaint? Those questions need to be answered before anyone can stand on a soap box and rebuke anyone who is not on board with this sort of innovation!
And that's your opinion. Investors seem to disagree, but what do they know.
Investors know they have money they are willing to "gamble" with.
(( I don't. And, that's not an opinion, that's a fact, Jack! J))
So in your world investors throw money away on investments they feel will fail. Interdasting. I'm inclined to let you keep digging this newest of holes.
"I don't want to be part of a forum where everyone has differing opinions." Boom...
What's Burning? wrote:So why the complaint? If you're not sure a manufacturer has answered your questions appropriately you don't have to buy it. Some people though feel that's not enough, it has to be actively demonized as well. Go figure.
Do tell, how is asking for clarification a complaint? Those questions need to be answered before anyone can stand on a soap box and rebuke anyone who is not on board with this sort of innovation!
And that's your opinion. Investors seem to disagree, but what do they know.
Investors know they have money they are willing to "gamble" with.
(( I don't. And, that's not an opinion, that's a fact, Jack! J))
So in your world investors throw money away on investments they feel will fail. Interdasting. I'm inclined to let you keep digging this newest of holes.
You're reading between the lines to find a shovel. Generally, world investors have money to work with. I do not. Nothing sinister, nothing implied.
What's Burning? wrote:So why the complaint? If you're not sure a manufacturer has answered your questions appropriately you don't have to buy it. Some people though feel that's not enough, it has to be actively demonized as well. Go figure.
Do tell, how is asking for clarification a complaint? Those questions need to be answered before anyone can stand on a soap box and rebuke anyone who is not on board with this sort of innovation!
And that's your opinion. Investors seem to disagree, but what do they know.
Investors know they have money they are willing to "gamble" with.
(( I don't. And, that's not an opinion, that's a fact, Jack! J))
So in your world investors throw money away on investments they feel will fail. Interdasting. I'm inclined to let you keep digging this newest of holes.
You're reading between the lines to find a shovel. Generally, world investors have money to work with. I do not. Nothing sinister, nothing implied.
So you 1) you hold to your claim that investors throw money away, and 2)choose to publicly complain and decry something you've absolutely no interest financially or fundamentally in? Quite contrary.
"I don't want to be part of a forum where everyone has differing opinions." Boom...
darwin dali wrote:...■ Total energy consumption: 1.06 Megawatt-hours
■ Total fuel cost: $0 (thanks to Tesla's free Superchargers, available to all Tesla owners)
That's amazing!! You can travel the world, without paying for fuel consumption!!
Oh, oh... wait a second!! For how long will Tesla supply free Superchargers to consumers, when this vehicle makes it to the market? Does Tesla plan on supplying them free "forever"? If not, how much is a Supercharger going to cost? What sort of maintenance / repairs can one anticipate? How much do they cost? Who is authorized to perform the service? What sort of warranty is available? Does it become void, if anyone other than authorized service centers perform maintenance on the vehicle?
Model S is designed to allow a fast battery swap, exchanging your battery for a fully charged battery in less than half the time it takes to refill a gas tank. This offers Model S drivers another, even faster option when recharging while driving long distances.
Tesla Valet Service
Tesla is putting in place a valet service, so that your car is seamlessly picked up and replaced with a loaner and then returned as soon as we are done. There is no additional charge for this.
And for long trips that might not yet be fully covered with supercharger stations, Tesla owners have free rental cars available.
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point.
What's Burning? wrote:Some people are afraid of change, any change. Electricity is the one source of power that can be gathered in perpetuity for free once the initial investment has been made.
Anyway, with all these Tesla posts it would seem to me that our forum queen would quickly drop her knickers for Alon Musk.
Elon is schmexy
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point.
What's Burning? wrote:So why the complaint? If you're not sure a manufacturer has answered your questions appropriately you don't have to buy it. Some people though feel that's not enough, it has to be actively demonized as well. Go figure.
Do tell, how is asking for clarification a complaint? Those questions need to be answered before anyone can stand on a soap box and rebuke anyone who is not on board with this sort of innovation!
And that's your opinion. Investors seem to disagree, but what do they know.
Investors know they have money they are willing to "gamble" with.
(( I don't. And, that's not an opinion, that's a fact, Jack! J))
So in your world investors throw money away on investments they feel will fail. Interdasting. I'm inclined to let you keep digging this newest of holes.
You're reading between the lines to find a shovel. Generally, world investors have money to work with. I do not. Nothing sinister, nothing implied.
So you 1) you hold to your claim that investors throw money away, and 2)choose to publicly complain and decry something you've absolutely no interest financially or fundamentally in? Quite contrary.
Again, you're reading between the lines; but, you should also accept that not everyone has an agenda.
I did NOT claim investors have money to throw again, rather that they can afford to make investments that I can't.
And, for the record, IF we're going to hear about how stupid people are that don't buy into this NOW, what is the problem with providing a plausible reason as to why people can't?? Unless, of course, only those agreeing with it are allowed to voice their opinions?
J))
Interdasting. I'm inclined to let you keep digging this newest of holes.
No, thanks!! I think I'll stick to mine!! 
Elon is schmexy