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#407356
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114881

Formula 1's FRIC suspension systems, believed to be one of the strengths of the dominant Mercedes car, could be banned for the German Grand Prix, AUTOSPORT can reveal.

Less than a fortnight before the next race at Hockenheim, the FIA has informed F1 teams that it believes the Front-and-Rear Interconnected Suspension (FRIC) systems used by most of them are illegal.

CRAIG SCARBOROUGH: Secrets of suspension and FRIC

According to sources, the governing body wrote to teams on Tuesday to tell them that following detailed investigations into the design of the FRIC systems, it believes they are in contravention of the rules.

In the note, a copy of which has been seen by AUTOSPORT, Whiting said: "Having now seen and studied nearly every current design of front to rear linked suspension system we, the FIA, are formally of the view that the legality of all such systems could be called into question."

Whiting suggests that the way the suspension systems help control pitch and roll could be in breach of article 3.15 of F1's technical regulations.

Article 3.15 is the catch-all regulation that relates to moveable aerodynamic devices. It outlaws any part of the car that influences the aerodynamics that is not "rigidly secured to the entirely sprung part of the car (rigidly secured means not having any degree of freedom)."

The FRIC systems link the front and rear suspension to maintain a constant ride height for improved performance.

Lotus (then called Renault) was the first team to introduce the concept in 2008.

Mercedes more recently took the design to the next level and is now believed to run the most complicated system, however it is unclear which team would suffer the most from a ban.

FIA OPEN TO DELAYING BAN UNTIL 2015

With limited testing time before the next race at Hockenheim, and 2014 designs being based around FRIC, the FIA is open to delaying the ban if there is consensus among teams.

It has asked teams to vote on whether or not they will be in favour of delaying the ban until the start of 2015 rather than it coming into force for the German GP.

However, for that to happen it would require unanimous support from all the teams on the grid.

It is unclear how easy it will be to achieve unanimous support for a delay - especially if any team feels its FRIC design is not as good as a rival's, or indeed if a team is not running the system at all.

If unanimous support is not reached, then Whiting has made it clear that from the next race in Germany, any team running FRIC risks being reported to the stewards by the FIA for non-compliance with the regulations.

The fact that the FIA has indicated it believes FRIC to be illegal also opens the door for a team to protest one of its rivals from the next race.


The FIA are complete idiots!
#407359
Wow, the level of incompetence at the FIA is astonishing; why was this not picked up in pre-season testing?

There should be no vote on bans for 2014; the FIA need to stop the banning of systems mid season, especially expecting teams to come up with a new system within two weeks. If indeed most teams are using the system, it's silly to ban the technology mid season, it's not like it's just one team contravening the rules.
#407364
I've just posted something about this in the Merc thread. Something by the Judge about the FIA inviting teams to protest about Merc. ( and the FRIC technology)
#407366
this will go the way the engine overrun did back a couple of years ago. you can't just "undo" an integral part of a design of a car, on the issue of safety a lone it has to be kept and banned for the next season.
#407368
I don't care if this rule was being imposed on Merc, Williams, Ferrari or Red Bull, changing the rules and banning something mid-season that's been there throughout and they gave the go ahead in pre-season is just ridiculous and shouldn't happen. By all means ban it next year but half way through this one? It's ridiculous.
#407372
I don't care if this rule was being imposed on Merc, Williams, Ferrari or Red Bull, changing the rules and banning something mid-season that's been there throughout and they gave the go ahead in pre-season is just ridiculous and shouldn't happen. By all means ban it next year but half way through this one? It's ridiculous.


Exactly, it should always be post-season there have been numerous occasions s*** like this has been pulled mid-season like last year when Mercedes looked like they'd be challenging and potentially winning more races then the tyre change mid-season screwed it up and Mercedes, Force India and Sauber all dropped off (there were a few others) the change SPECIFICALLY suited Red Bull.

If something is passed at before/during testing then it should stay in the sport until the end of the season, if they want to ban it then the ban should only come into effect at the END of the season

The only thing that's looking good for this ban is that "FIA OPEN TO DELAYING BAN UNTIL 2015"
#407375
Does anyone know if the RedBull has any sort of version of this?


Mercedes were the first to use it back in 2011, shortly followed by Lotus who both have both got pretty good systems.

Red Bull, McLaren and Ferrari also have FRIC like systems just without antiroll and warp control.

Apparently Marussia and Force India have it too but not as good/well developed.

No one seems to know about Sauber and Williams.

Caterham also apparently DON'T have it but are trying to develop it.

EDIT: A few people on Twitter seem to think Carterham do have it but a system that means it would hurt them the most...
#407377
Let's not forget that the teams had considered reintroducing active suspension to cut costs. Electronic active suspension would be much much cheaper than a fricken FRIC. Maybe this is a way of making the teams accept this measure
#407384
Have you read the judges take on it? Political sheanagans. I posted it in the Mercedes thread put since it's being discussed here I'll post again here.
It's the last topic, so scroll down.
http://thejudge13.com
#407396
As everyone else is saying and seems to be agreed on (unusual for anything on the forum!! :D ) - they shouldn't even think about taking any action on this at such a relatively late point into the season, it HAS to be left until the season and if the rules are going to be tightened up it should be for 2015 onward. To do otherwise would be an absolute joke.
#407399
As everyone else is saying and seems to be agreed on (unusual for anything on the forum!! :D ) - they shouldn't even think about taking any action on this at such a relatively late point into the season, it HAS to be left until the season and if the rules are going to be tightened up it should be for 2015 onward. To do otherwise would be an absolute joke.

Just to play devil's advocate :twisted: :

What if the FIA pulled yet another stunt and declared this to be a safety issue?

(( And, yes, I'm thinking about the compound being changed on the Pirelli tires,
mid-season, last year. Just proof that if the FIA "want" it bad enough, they will
get their way, possibly why they're insisting on a "unanimous agreement"!! ))
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