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By Olman
#396150
Is it just me or does anyone else think that the new turbo engines sound like an asthmatic John Deer tractor. I'm just sayin'..... but it seems to me that F1 took one of the most unique, iconic, primal sounds in all of motorsports, one that shrieked raw speed and horsepower, and replaced it with something that conjures up the speed and power of a flatulent school bus. Watching on television, I have to keep reminding myself the cars are really going fast because they sure don't sound like it!
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By racechick
#396154
Welcome Olman! :wavey: I agree the engine sound takes a lot of what is special away from F1. It's been mentioned in the Australia GP thread and in the turbo engine thread( you may like to see what's been said) :but why not give it a thread of its own! Even Bernie wants it changing........and he's the guy who condoned the changes!! :spaz: I love the engine scream and it will be missing at Silverstone this year. :(
By CookinFlat6
#396165
Well put Olman.

The main thing is an identity crisis for F1. Is it the ultimate motorsport where everything is thrown at making cars go as fast as possible around a variety of tracks? Or is it technological competition for engineers that just happened to start with motor racing as a theme and is now more about general road car usage?

If its the first, then F1 has shot itself in the foot, because people are attracted to it for its insanity and complete difference to everyday motoring or indeed to other race series where there are lots of constraints for practical reasons. The sound was a big part of that because it epitomised the sheer wasteful and self centered pursuit of speed round a track and was indifference to the environment, the spectators ear drums or practicalities. The cars should last just a few feet past a full race distance and should be maxed out in everyway, it should be like an arms race in wartime with winning the only consideration.

If its the second, then there is no real reason for spectators to treat it as a unique series. The visual spectacle is just a bit faster than GP2, if you want overtaking there are better series, you want outright speed there are others, you want endurance....
The technology that makes F1 stand out is better understood and followed away from the track, most of the sexy stuff is under the skin, the cars are not even beautiful like LMP. If it was all city center circuits with the most advanced electric racing cars that could be interesting - err hold on that sounds familiar. So people are gonna trudge over to half empty tracks in the middle of nowhere, spend a fortune, be thouroughly confused about whats happening on track till you watch the recap on tv, 'ah, thats why my fave driver suddenly went from first to last halfway thru the race'
And there is no longer the primeval aspect of the sound. Why would you not watch more fun and cheaper series in the flesh and watch F1 on a streaming internet site for free?

Is there a middle ground? does it work? Thats what we gonne be finding out over the next year or so as global audiences that are already in a declining trend either reverse or ride out the pay per view dampner at the same time as people have been given a reason to not pay the high price for tickets plus the high costs of everything else from merchandising to lap time data.

I remember a race in the far east when it strated pouring with rain and I had to buy the most expensive piece of cling film ever from some rogues who had a concession to fleece those foiled by the previously sunny climate.
By Hammer278
#396168
That guy just blew my f**king mind. I'm a bit high but listening to that is just....KRPLOOSH!!! :clap:
By CookinFlat6
#396169
Yeah its not about the volume of the sound or how loud it is, its more about the unique frequencies and its effect on the brain for me. It would be like going to a concert where the guitarists were issued guitars and told not to do certain things to avoid frightening dogs :hehe:

Heres is some more, even with low volume you can feel the magic of the screamers. Even the old turbos had some of it, compared to the new turbo, see if you dont get bored quickly

[youtube]9UoQ3Da5zyo[/youtube]
By Hammer278
#396172
Man those V10s....the only part of the clip my hair stood on end.
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By racechick
#396173
Music! Haunting , magic stuff!!
By CookinFlat6
#396175
Yeah 3l V10s revving at over 20,000 rpm was the ultimate F1 sound, pure mechanical music. I remember hearing of a Toyota 3l V10 running at 21500 or something completely insane, before they started restricting the max red line
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By Roth
#396180
We're getting a bit fixated on this sound thing. Go back to clips from 25 yrs ago, esp onboard clips, and you'll see how much we've lost (actually, it might just be the wobbly cameras that add some spice). Things you don't consider because they're not as immediate as the sound. Sound aside, these new cars are bringing us back to previous eras, with more driver input. All they need to do is bring back manual gear changes.
By CookinFlat6
#396181
You mean manual - manual stick shifts. i.e non sequential H style open gate thingies with left pedal clutch?

That would be fun watching drivers make the engines last 5 races without dropping from 7th to 2nd by mistake once a race and blowing the pistons through the engine cover

Why not have steel disc brakes as well, and maybe throw in double the steering lock travel and abolish power steering
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By Roth
#396183
Just drag out all the cars from the '80s and have them go at it. Those Brundle clips of him driving cars from different eras is revealing. He's happier driving the all mod cons Ferrari but the older cars seem so much more visceral.

Yeah, I meant old school hand off the wheel gear changes. When there's even a shift light, it's hard to think of the ones now as anything but automatic.

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