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[Hammer278]

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[LRW]

Whistle blow away, I say. If they are stupid enough to send it out to everyone in the class, even though it wasn't asked for, they deserve all they get.

Even if you don't report it, someone else might, and the whole class might be implicated anyway. Especially if this continues to happen, and they find out after a further 3 exams. Could put your whole course in jeopardy....

But you also have to consider if you want the whole class to know you are a whistleblower, and hate you for the rest of your course. Depends upon how confidential the proffessor keeps your name.

If I was in your shoes, I would say something. Because now you have seen the questions, you have gained an advantage (no matter how small) and at the end of the course, can you put your hand on your heart and say you got your qualification on your own merit.

[Denthúl]

I am seriously considering to forward this email to the professor himself, basically being the whistleblower which could put these two to the sword (email trail shows 1 asking the other if she's gotten the questions and she replies with the questions). On the other hand, I have seen the test myself so is there a chance that I could get into soup as well? If I proceed to send it soon, the test could still be changed.

Do it, even if only to cover your own behind (although ideally of course for the right reasons).

If someone else does it, and it comes to light that you've been a recipient of this email, then by not coming forward as soon as possible you could land yourself in trouble even if you hadn't looked at the answers to the test (I do have to ask, though - at that level, why is the test not being carried out simultaneously for as many students as possible to prevent things like this from happening?).

[bud]

Yeah I agree, the whole class will get implicated if someone doesn't bring it to light. I think another test will be sat for this subject

[racechick]

I hate cheating. I don't think you can do nothing, because of how you feel you will be compromising your own integrity and implicitly going along with it. So I'd say it comes down to whether your happy to be seen as a whistleblower or whether you want to do it anonymously. If its the former, forward the email explaining your feelings. If its the latter, print off the emails with the trail . Put it in an envelope markedURGENT and put it where the professor will find it.

[vaptin]

Easy, tell the professor, ask for your name to be kept anonymous if you like (don't see a problem with that).

They all signed up for this course, and agreed to the universities rules surely? You did too.

And you are right about MSC level, this isn't some kids taking the easy option over the ethical one.

[What's Burning?]

It's been stated and you have a few options available to you. The thing is that this isn't just the two culprits you mentioned, but now they've implicated the class and with it have compromised the value of whatever grades are achieved in the course.

1- do nothing and everyone gets a good grade and the professor has a clue will immediately understand what happened.
2- do the whistle blowing thing
3- do the whistle blowing thing anonymously

IMO, if you feel that you did the work and you would have earned a grade that these other f*cktards were willing to compromise, then certainly forward the email to your professor, implicate the offenders and let the professor know why you chose your course of action.

[stonemonkey]

Bad enough that they're cheating but to implicate everyone else is dirty, if no one did anything and it's found out later then everyone's screwed.

[darwin dali]

How sure can you be that the questions will be re-used in the coming test? Especially since the other class did the test a week ago - professors commonly are not THAT dumb!
In my experience, professors have a set of questions for a number of years that they change around for tests, so you might get familiar ones plus a few new ones. We had old tests circulating for practice - they were mostly helpful to see the 'style' of questions a particular professor would ask. Only maybe a third of the professor actually re-used some questions. The sneakier ones actually made it look like the same questions, but they changed a tiny little detail so that the multiple choice answers changed.

[What's Burning?]

How sure can you be that the questions will be re-used in the coming test? Especially since the other class did the test a week ago - professors commonly are not THAT dumb!
In my experience, professors have a set of questions for a number of years that they change around for tests, so you might get familiar ones plus a few new ones. We had old tests circulating for practice - they were mostly helpful to see the 'style' of questions a particular professor would ask. Only maybe a third of the professor actually re-used some questions. The sneakier ones actually made it look like the same questions, but they changed a tiny little detail so that the multiple choice answers changed.

Not every professor is as qualified in 'diabolics' my dear queen. some just show up, teach a class and collect a pay check.

[Hammer278]

I am seriously considering to forward this email to the professor himself, basically being the whistleblower which could put these two to the sword (email trail shows 1 asking the other if she's gotten the questions and she replies with the questions). On the other hand, I have seen the test myself so is there a chance that I could get into soup as well? If I proceed to send it soon, the test could still be changed.

Do it, even if only to cover your own behind (although ideally of course for the right reasons).

If someone else does it, and it comes to light that you've been a recipient of this email, then by not coming forward as soon as possible you could land yourself in trouble even if you hadn't looked at the answers to the test (I do have to ask, though - at that level, why is the test not being carried out simultaneously for as many students as possible to prevent things like this from happening?).

We were supposed to do this test on the same day last week though the prof failed to inform us regarding this test! The finance class and mib (int business) share this 1 class for the current semester. The finance class was not informed. So he's given us another week. As DD said, he might change it...but I have sent the email and said "If we are getting the same paper tmr, I think you should know this". I also mentioned the test would be a bit of a farce if it is the same one.

Thanks for your inputs! After sending it (decided to on the way to uni) I was still in a battle in my head...since its not something I'm comfortable to talk about with any peers yet. But you guys helped massively. Cheers for that.

[Jabberwocky]

Integrity is the way forward. I like yiurself would be worried about any bad handling by the tutor. Personally I would like to hear how the teachers of this community would deal with it? I personally would just change the exam and no one would ever know that the whistle was blown.

Good luck with the exam by the way

[stonemonkey]

I hope it turns out ok.

[racechick]

I think you did the right thing Hammer. Let us know how it works out.

In answer to Jab, as a teacher, this is what I'd do.

If , I was teaching students, as in Hammer's situation. I'd thank Hammer and assure him that the exam would be a fair one and that he should carry on working for it as he would have done had he not received the email. Id also assure him that his identity would Not be revealed. I'd say nothing to the other students but change the exam. This way the students who said nothing but hoped to profit by the cheating wouldn't do so. After the exam I'd call the two who cheated into my office and deal with them.

With young children, like I teach, it would be different. They still don't understand cause and effect and are not fully aware of the outcomes of their actions. Most of what we teach that age involves socialising them. So I'd do it through a story. And then talk about how the characters might be feeling and do the children think the characters made good or bad choices . Lots of eye contact with the child involved then opportunity to chat with the child individually afterwards.

[What's Burning?]

Now if this was to take place in the corporate world, the cheaters would be given a bonus, an award and a bonus for their outstanding performance, and the whistle blower would get the standard 3% annual raise.