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By iceman
#8811
Please forgive me if this has been asked and answered before. I did do a search but found only the one thread titled 'Hint-Hint' that came up fruitless in answering my question.

I am a member of a car club pertaining to the car i drive (a VX220) and have asked the following question there but to no avail. Then it dawned on me, go straight to the top and ask you guys (seeing as how here is all about F1) if anyone can/will help, then i'm banking that you can here.

My question is:

What is the difference between 'Team Orders' (banned) and 'Team Tactics' (ok'd) ??

Thank-You for reading this newbies question and i await in anticipaton to hearing back from you.

All the very best...

..iceman (julian)
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By Irv the Swerve
#8814
No probs iceman, to me Team Orders to be a no-no is telling your driver to move out of the way for your teammate, i.e RB and MS in 2002. Team Tactics that is ok is telling your driver don't put yourself, your teammate and the team in risk by pushing to hard trying to overtake/teammate.

I hope a resloved the question. :wink:
By Marco
#8815
Another team order 'no no' would be slowing another car down to provide your team-mate an advantage.
#8820
Please forgive me if this has been asked and answered before. I did do a search but found only the one thread titled 'Hint-Hint' that came up fruitless in answering my question.

I am a member of a car club pertaining to the car i drive (a VX220) and have asked the following question there but to no avail. Then it dawned on me, go straight to the top and ask you guys (seeing as how here is all about F1) if anyone can/will help, then i'm banking that you can here.

My question is:

What is the difference between 'Team Orders' (banned) and 'Team Tactics' (ok'd) ??

Thank-You for reading this newbies question and i await in anticipaton to hearing back from you.

All the very best...

..iceman (julian)


Team orders are considered to be when a team trys to deliberately manipulate the outcome of a race to favor one of their drivers over the other. The notorius case was several years ago when Ferrari driver Barichello who had dominated the entire weekend was cruising to a win when he got 'team orders' to move aside for one Michael Shumacher who was further ahead in driver points. This was put in fine focus when Rubens waited until the last lap/corner to 'slow down' for Micheal to take the win. The audience erupted in boos and Micheal even handed the winners trophy to Rubens on the podium. Typical of Ferrari they did not care what others thought. The FIA then decided that this was not in the best interests of the sport and created a rule. It should be mentioned that before this incident team orders were a normal aspect of team management. That is, it was no big deal for a team to order its drivers to do things that ensured the one more likely to win the championship would get as many points as possible by having the #2 driver move over for the #1. Ferrari just thumbed its nose at the fans by doing something that was for all to see not right, not fair and not even necessary. It was then that I decided Ferrari was a joke and not worthy of my respect.

Team Tactics on the other hand are what McClaren did at Monaco by telling their drivers to stay on station and not risk taking each other out of the race. This was done after the first pit stop. No big deal and the decision was done strategically to ensure maximum points to the team without regard for who was in front. Alonso won but if Hamilton was leading it would have been the same.

One was bullpoo and brought the sport into disrepute while the other was just smart race strategy at a track that has unique problems for passing.

Others may have different view,... :lol:
By Marco
#8826
Good post LH-fan, you need a spell-checker though! :P
By iceman
#8829
Gosh...such a quick responce, i'm as honoured as i am surprised, Thank-You all so very much.

Please accept my sincerest apologies for being so rude (not a good foot to put forward) but i have to attend to some urgent business just now but wanted to let you all know that i very much appreciate your replys and wil be returning to give your answers the proper reply that they so richly deserve.

Once again..thank-you...

..iceman.
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By johnbull
#8831
No probs iceman, to me Team Orders to be a no-no is telling your driver to move out of the way for your teammate, i.e RB and MS in 2002. Team Tactics that is ok is telling your driver don't put yourself, your teammate and the team in risk by pushing to hard trying to overtake/teammate.

I hope a resloved the question. :wink:


Short and sweet, and to the point. :wink:
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By LH-fan
#8836
Good post LH-fan, you need a spell-checker though! :P


Yea, thanks, but don't blame me on spelling. I'm used to the program spelling for me! :lol:
By iceman
#8838
Thank-you all again for your replys.

Having taken on-board the aqumulated (sorry my spelling is extremely bad due to dislexia) answers i feel alot better equipt in my undertanding of the rules/situation.

Is there ( i hope i am not being a nuisence here, i have honestly searched for it ) a link to the 'official' terms of tactics vrs orders that anyone could be so kind as to furnish me with. I will be eternally grateful.

In anticipation...

..iceman.
By iceman
#8839
Good post LH-fan, you need a spell-checker though! :P


Yea, thanks, but don't blame me on spelling. I'm used to the program spelling for me! :lol:


Never fear LH-fan. Nowone's spelling will be as bad as mine. I find myself constanly having to apologise for it.
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By johnbull
#8845
Thank-you all again for your replys.

Having taken on-board the aqumulated (sorry my spelling is extremely bad due to dislexia) answers i feel alot better equipt in my undertanding of the rules/situation.

Is there ( i hope i am not being a nuisence here, i have honestly searched for it ) a link to the 'official' terms of tactics vrs orders that anyone could be so kind as to furnish me with. I will be eternally grateful.

In anticipation...

..iceman.


You'll find all the Formula 1 rules in the official FIA website, which is http://www.formula1.com

You can follow live timing during practice, qualifying and the GP from there too.
By iceman
#8923
Oh dear Oh dear...Thank-you all for your help. The last two links i have trawled through but to no avail. It seems alot of people have their opinions as to what the ruling is (gladly recieved by myself from those above) but as hard as i try, i can find no 'official' standing on this. No official list of the cans/can'ts.

I guess it's just me and my skills of searching are no better than my skills at spelling. More time and effort is needed by myself to search through the links provided to find the relivent data. I'm sure it must be there (as you are) Perhaps i expected it to be as easy as [click on team orders/team tactics] and be furnished with a comprehensive list but i guess life is never that easy (lazy me alert lol)

Thank you all so much for you time and effort.

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