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Is the 107% qualifying rule needed?

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No
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By andrew
#284453
During the coverage of FP3, the 107% rule was mentioned. There was a short discussion on if it is worth having or not. There have been a few drivers this year setting qualifying times outside of 107% of the pole time or failing to set a qualifying time. The rule was re-introduced amid fears of the 3 newer teams being too slow and basically getting in the way of the racing. Whilst they do get lapped at every race, the newer teams have by far not been the worst backmarkers that F1 has seen and the drivers have generally been pretty good at getting out of the way of the leaders when being lapped, though as to be expected there have been some exceptions.

Given that the the 107% rule hasn't been used when it arguably could have been, is it worth having? Discuss.
#284455
No. Back in the old days, the backmarkers were so much slower than the Lotuses, Virgins and HRTs are we have today.

Furthermore, the rule isn't even adhered to! The only time it was enforced was in Melbourne. :rolleyes:
By andrew
#284456
No. Back in the old days, the backmarkers were so much slower than the Lotuses, Virgins and HRTs are we have today.


Indeed! Remember Forti with the old joke that they were lapped so often that it looked like there were 40 of them on the track?
#284457
No. Back in the old days, the backmarkers were so much slower than the Lotuses, Virgins and HRTs are we have today.


Indeed! Remember Forti with the old joke that they were lapped so often that it looked like there were 40 of them on the track?


:rofl:

Great for their TV coverage. :wink:
#284460
No. Back in the old days, the backmarkers were so much slower than the Lotuses, Virgins and HRTs are we have today.

Furthermore, the rule isn't even adhered to! The only time it was enforced was in Melbourne. :rolleyes:


This isn't quite true as the rule isn't a blanket definitive rule, specifically it says:

36.3 During Q1, any driver whose best lap exceeds 107% of the fastest time set during that session will not be allowed to take part in the race. Under exceptional circumstances however, which may include setting a suitable lap time in a free practice session, the stewards may permit the car to start the race.... etc.

There's not really been a time it's needed to be enforced since Melbourne as in the vast majority, if not all, cases, the affected car / team has been able to demonstrate that they are capable of running in the race within the 107% requirement, which is a part of the rule as much as the exclusion.

For the main question from the OP though? Personally, I think it's something that should be enforced more harshly at the beginning of a season when the cars are untested in race conditions, but once they've proven themselves generally capable, I don't really see the need for continuing it unless something dramatic happens mid season.

Another problem that I'm not comfortable with is the dominant car argument. Ok, it's unlikely, but lets say that someone like Adrian Newey designs another moster of a car that happens to be say a second or a second and a half faster than the next best team. A backmarker team could potentially fall foul of the 107% rule even though they are running within 107% of the entire field with the exception of that anomylously quick team. Is it fair to exclude them as a potential danger on that basis? I'd say absolutely not.

On the positive side, the current rule does allow the flexibility for exceptions to be allowed - as it should.
By Hammer278
#284466
Yes, its needed. In fact, I think it needs to be enforced even more. The cars which don't make 107% in QUALIFYING has no right to be on the race track come Sunday.

This will help the wannabees decide if they have the necessary investment to enter the sport, and would give even more credibility to those who are in the sport and running during the race. Special coverage pre race to those teams which are sitting out, with a dedicated interview time on why they did not make it and how to improve further. Yes, embarrass them into submitting their resignation from F1, or pumping in the resource required to give the others a run for their money.

Vote H278 for FIA Presidency.
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By darwin dali
#284468
Yes, its needed. In fact, I think it needs to be enforced even more. The cars which don't make 107% in QUALIFYING has no right to be on the race track come Sunday.


So, if LH crashes in Q1 w/o setting a time, he won't be allowed to start? :yikes:
By Hammer278
#284475
Yes, its needed. In fact, I think it needs to be enforced even more. The cars which don't make 107% in QUALIFYING has no right to be on the race track come Sunday.


So, if LH crashes in Q1 w/o setting a time, he won't be allowed to start? :yikes:


Err...if they crash out, we shall reflect on the previous races' qualifying position...as long as the car did not occupy the last 2 rows, it will be cleared to race.

This will put more pressure on the backmarkers NOT to crash during qualifying...and screw up the session for the big guns. Another plus for the show.

Vote H278 for FIA Presidency.
By andrew
#284498
Yes, its needed. In fact, I think it needs to be enforced even more. The cars which don't make 107% in QUALIFYING has no right to be on the race track come Sunday.


So, if LH crashes in Q1 w/o setting a time, he won't be allowed to start? :yikes:


Strictly speaking he wouldn't but given that a McLaren will more than likely set competitive times in the practice sessions they would have a strong case for appealing to the race stewards to let him start at the back.

I think I'll go for the FIA Presidency and rule with an iron fist! :D
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By darwin dali
#284501
Yes, its needed. In fact, I think it needs to be enforced even more. The cars which don't make 107% in QUALIFYING has no right to be on the race track come Sunday.


So, if LH crashes in Q1 w/o setting a time, he won't be allowed to start? :yikes:


Strictly speaking he wouldn't but given that a McLaren will more than likely set competitive times in the practice sessions they would have a strong case for appealing to the race stewards to let him start at the back.

I think I'll go for the FIA Presidency and rule with an iron fist! :D

I know all this - I was just pointing out the consequences of Hammer278's rigid handling of the rule.
By andrew
#284504
Yes, its needed. In fact, I think it needs to be enforced even more. The cars which don't make 107% in QUALIFYING has no right to be on the race track come Sunday.


So, if LH crashes in Q1 w/o setting a time, he won't be allowed to start? :yikes:


Strictly speaking he wouldn't but given that a McLaren will more than likely set competitive times in the practice sessions they would have a strong case for appealing to the race stewards to let him start at the back.

I think I'll go for the FIA Presidency and rule with an iron fist! :D

I know all this - I was just pointing out the consequences of Hammer278's rigid handling of the rule.


Well it doesn't worry me. My ruling with an iron fist would still leave me with a clear conscience. :D
#284530
Well it doesn't worry me. My ruling with an iron fist would still leave me with a clear conscience. :D


A fist that condemns Silverstone but yet strokes Barcelona with undying affection? NO!!! :nono:

:wink:
By andrew
#284532
Well it doesn't worry me. My ruling with an iron fist would still leave me with a clear conscience. :D


A fist that condemns Silverstone but yet strokes Barcelona with undying affection? NO!!! :nono:

:wink:


A fist that gets rid of crap circuits and keeps the decent ones. No more Dubai, Singapore, Monaco and Silverstone and the return of Imola and the old (proper) Hockenheim and Spa every year until the end of time. :D
#284536
Well it doesn't worry me. My ruling with an iron fist would still leave me with a clear conscience. :D


A fist that condemns Silverstone but yet strokes Barcelona with undying affection? NO!!! :nono:

:wink:


A fist that gets rid of crap circuits and keeps the decent ones. No more Dubai, Singapore, Monaco and Silverstone and the return of Imola and the old (proper) Hockenheim and Spa every year until the end of time. :D


Your ideas would never win you presidency, darling. Dream on :thumbup:
By andrew
#284538
Well it doesn't worry me. My ruling with an iron fist would still leave me with a clear conscience. :D


A fist that condemns Silverstone but yet strokes Barcelona with undying affection? NO!!! :nono:

:wink:


A fist that gets rid of crap circuits and keeps the decent ones. No more Dubai, Singapore, Monaco and Silverstone and the return of Imola and the old (proper) Hockenheim and Spa every year until the end of time. :D


Your ideas would never win you presidency, darling. Dream on :thumbup:


If Max Mosely can be elected then so can I.

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