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[EvilGiraffe]

Soccer (football)--make the team that is winning play with one fewer man

Baseball--2 strikes equals an out when your team is up to bat and up on the scoreboard

Basketball--the three-point line will move back 18 inches when your team is winning by more than 5 points

Tennis--your racquet will be smaller, perhaps about 3 cm, when you are leading by more than one game

Marathon--when leading, you must carry a rock weighing no less than 5 pounds

American Football--you must go 15 yards to get a first down instead of 10 when you are leading by more than a field goal

Boxing--if you're ahead on the scorecard, one hand must be tied behind your back for subsequent rounds until your opponent catches up (or knocks you out)

[CarBore]

While I understand that DRS prehaps isn't the solution those analogies aren't strictly true because you are assuming the team/person who is behind is not at a disadvantage. An F1 car is measurably slower when it is behind another. DRS unfortunately treats a symptom rather than the cause of the problem

[EvilGiraffe]

But I would say that a team/player that is behind, either in position or on the scoreboard, is, in fact, at a disadvantage because the team/person in front needs only to play at the level of their opponent in order to maintain their lead until the end of the race/game. So why not artificially even the playing field, in all sports, so that the loser (at the moment) has a greater chance of coming back?
I would also argue that if what you say is true, that "An F1 car is measurably slower when it is behind another", then we would never see passing on track of any sort (excluding a vastly superior car over an inferior one like a RedBull over an HRT). But we do, indeed, see passing from time to time for many different reasons: driver error, a driver having killed his tires earlier in the run, a better setup, conserving of some sort, or hey, just a corner taken better or outbraking by a guy with larger attachments (as David Hobbes says).
The DRS has made a farce of passing. It really is that simple.

[Hammer278]

I agree that DRS was a farce at Spa. However, like stated earlier it is supposed to assist the problem of high aero racing where the car behind is at a disadvantage due to dirty air and almost impossible to mount a challenge when the car in front makes no mistakes. DRS did make races exciting this year, when the duration of usage was spot on.

However, this applies for most tracks on the calendar. On a few, (such as Spa) DRS is absolutely not required. I fervently hope they revise its usage and shorten it by quite a bit for next year, or put it on the back straight where overtaking is slightly more of a challenge.

[vlad]

The REAL place for DRS on Spa should be the pit straight...

[LewEngBridewell]

The REAL place for DRS on Spa should be the pit straight...

Aye, DRS wasn't really needed in the location was put. It would've been interesting to see it on the pit straight, but I wonder if it would be too short for DRS to have any real effect? That's the "problem" with Spa... the only realistic locations for DRS are far too long, and other places are just too short.

[killem2]

They should allow drs to be on at all times.

[EvilGiraffe]

They should allow drs to be on at all times.

Actually, I would be ok with that. The worst part of the whole DRS issue is the way it's implemented and that's what I was trying to show in my first post. Making it so that you can't use it unless you are within one second of the car in front and only on a certain part of the track is plain idiotic. How did this ever get past the boardroom? I mean it's one of those things where if I (or some of you) had been in there talking over ideas for how to implement DRS and someone across the table had said "Hey, how about this?" and goes on to explain the way it now is, we would have laughed at them, called the idea stupid, and moved on.

[Hammer278]

They should allow drs to be on at all times.

Then why have DRS at all?? It just negates the purpose of DRS!

[andrew]

The FIA should get rid of DRS, grow a pair and finally sort out the fundamental problems with the cars that prevent overtaking. No doubt the likes of Ferrari and McLaren would start bumping their gums in protest but they always know where the door is.

DRS - Dumb Rule Syndrome.

[killem2]

They should allow drs to be on at all times.

Then why have DRS at all?? It just negates the purpose of DRS!

Not at all, if you allow it going all the time, SOME ONE is going to get greedy, and mess up, and end up in a barrier.

[EvilGiraffe]

Does anyone else think that maybe the reason they just don't take the wings off the cars completely--making them more dependent on mechanical grip and reducing the effect of running in dirty air--is because wings make good advertising surfaces? Just a thought.

[Hammer278]

They should allow drs to be on at all times.

Then why have DRS at all?? It just negates the purpose of DRS!

Not at all, if you allow it going all the time, SOME ONE is going to get greedy, and mess up, and end up in a barrier.

That's awesome, in a sport trying its best to promote safety the intentions here are pure indeed.

[racechick]

DRS has made a farce of passing. I agree. No longer superior skill or bravery, you just drive round with a gifted advantage.
Yes its made some races more exciting, but falsly so.
I wish theyd get rid of it but dont think they will because to the casual observer the spectacle is better.

[bud]

Using DRS is like using Viagra to get it up.