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[Fred_C_Dobbs]

JUNE 8, 2011
Doubts mount over Renault

The long term commitment of Renault to F1 is starting to look shaky with FIA president Jean Todt reportedly confirming in an interview that be believes the company will withdraw if the small capacity turbo engines are not adopted in 2013.

"When I talk to those responsible at Renault they tell me they will go out of F1 if this new engine does not come in 2013," Todt told Spain's Diario Sport, "When I talk to Mercedes and Ferrari they ask me to postpone the introduction for a couple of years. They are not against the rules but want them postponed. So in the coming days, I will keep up the contacts personally to see where we are."

There are also believed to be tensions within the team, with an external agent employed by Genii Capital to assess the operational efficiency of the team in Barcelona.

Team boss Eric Boullier, meanwhile, has denied rumours of financial difficulty, which first surfaced last year when the team attempted to secure advance payment of FOM revenues that would fall due, in order to cover a shortfall in expected sponsorship income.

[Jabberwocky]

I wonder how much of a loss the Lotus fiasco has been to them.

[myownalias]

Isn't Renault effectively only an engine supplier now; I know there was talk of Renault buying back the team but I don't believe that happened! But that will leave Red Bull, Lotus and potentially Williams in a pickle should Williams take the Renault/Infiniti engine. I believe the FIA should force the issue and make it compulsory in 2013; Mercedes and Ferrari have been digging their heals in instead of developing the L4 Turbo like Renault have been doing, even if it means that PURE and Renault are the only engine suppliers from 2013 onwards.

[texasmr2]

I find it alittle hard to believe that Merc and Ferrari are not developing an I4 in secret. Ferrari already have one they can build upon but Merc has never shown one to the public.

[What's Burning?]

dumb question but do the reqs say they've got to be an inline 4 would it be technically ridiculous to have a V4?

[texasmr2]

dumb question but do the reqs say they've got to be an inline 4 would it be technically ridiculous to have a V4?

The point I have been trying to pass along over the last few year's is that an I4 is a proven design thus the heritage/spec's of those past can be used without having to completely design and develope a new and untested design, the cost would be enormous and most likely exceed a team's budget especially in this economy. Just my opinion though.

[What's Burning?]

This was a general question on my part, and since I'm not an engine guy, I have no clue as to the answer. I guess the fact that we don't see V4 engines is probably a good indicator they they don't work very well. So my question was out of curiosity. I would think if there was an advantage to it, we'd have seen it implemented somewhere.

[texasmr2]

It's cool bro and I understood and as you mentioned if a V4 design was advantageous we would have seen one in modern car's. I do understand the inherent packaging advantages to a V4 design but then again I'm not an engineer and I did just have the thought that a V4 design would most likely require two cooling setup's (one for each bank) so that would add complexity/cost aswell as weight.

[myownalias]

Does a V shaped engine make any difference at all apart from being able to fit more cylinders in a smaller footprint? I remember seeing a while back a car which I can not remember the name of which had a V5 engine; which baffled me; I thought that V shaped engines needed to be in pairs of cylinders!

[texasmr2]

I think that a V4 would not have the harmonic balance that an I4 has kinda just like the balancer's needed for a smooth V6 operation but I could be wrong.

[CarBore]

Does a V shaped engine make any difference at all apart from being able to fit more cylinders in a smaller footprint? I remember seeing a while back a car which I can not remember the name of which had a V5 engine; which baffled me; I thought that V shaped engines needed to be in pairs of cylinders!

I actually owned a V5 VW golf. The V config with odd cylinders baffled the hell out of me too though.

[myownalias]

Does a V shaped engine make any difference at all apart from being able to fit more cylinders in a smaller footprint? I remember seeing a while back a car which I can not remember the name of which had a V5 engine; which baffled me; I thought that V shaped engines needed to be in pairs of cylinders!

I actually owned a V5 VW golf. The V config with odd cylinders baffled the hell out of me too though.

Completely moving away from the topic; but from what I understand; a V5 engine is not at all a V-shaped configuration; it a double width block with staggered two left, three right cylinders.

Now that mystery is solved; back on subject

[darwin dali]

Does a V shaped engine make any difference at all apart from being able to fit more cylinders in a smaller footprint? I remember seeing a while back a car which I can not remember the name of which had a V5 engine; which baffled me; I thought that V shaped engines needed to be in pairs of cylinders!

I actually owned a V5 VW golf. The V config with odd cylinders baffled the hell out of me too though.

Completely moving away from the topic; but from what I understand; a V5 engine is not at all a V-shaped configuration; it a double width block with staggered two left, three right cylinders.

Now that mystery is solved; back on subject

Volkswagen introduced the first V5 engine, though this engine is not a true twin-bank V engine, but rather a VR5, or staggered bank straight-5 engine, and therefore not a true V5. It does not have one cylinder bank with 2 cylinders and one with 3; rather, it has all 5 cylinders sharing a single bank. The engine is derived from the VR6, and is thus a staggered 5, and has much in common with Volkswagen's earlier straight 5 developed in the 1980s for the Passat and Audi Quattro.

[myownalias]

Does a V shaped engine make any difference at all apart from being able to fit more cylinders in a smaller footprint? I remember seeing a while back a car which I can not remember the name of which had a V5 engine; which baffled me; I thought that V shaped engines needed to be in pairs of cylinders!

I actually owned a V5 VW golf. The V config with odd cylinders baffled the hell out of me too though.

Completely moving away from the topic; but from what I understand; a V5 engine is not at all a V-shaped configuration; it a double width block with staggered two left, three right cylinders.

Now that mystery is solved; back on subject

Volkswagen introduced the first V5 engine, though this engine is not a true twin-bank V engine, but rather a VR5, or staggered bank straight-5 engine, and therefore not a true V5. It does not have one cylinder bank with 2 cylinders and one with 3; rather, it has all 5 cylinders sharing a single bank. The engine is derived from the VR6, and is thus a staggered 5, and has much in common with Volkswagen's earlier straight 5 developed in the 1980s for the Passat and Audi Quattro.

I said back on topic damn it.... and you could at least have plagiarised a little instead of copy/paste from Wikipedia!

[What's Burning?]

Does a V shaped engine make any difference at all apart from being able to fit more cylinders in a smaller footprint? I remember seeing a while back a car which I can not remember the name of which had a V5 engine; which baffled me; I thought that V shaped engines needed to be in pairs of cylinders!

I actually owned a V5 VW golf. The V config with odd cylinders baffled the hell out of me too though.

Completely moving away from the topic; but from what I understand; a V5 engine is not at all a V-shaped configuration; it a double width block with staggered two left, three right cylinders.

Now that mystery is solved; back on subject

Volkswagen introduced the first V5 engine, though this engine is not a true twin-bank V engine, but rather a VR5, or staggered bank straight-5 engine, and therefore not a true V5. It does not have one cylinder bank with 2 cylinders and one with 3; rather, it has all 5 cylinders sharing a single bank. The engine is derived from the VR6, and is thus a staggered 5, and has much in common with Volkswagen's earlier straight 5 developed in the 1980s for the Passat and Audi Quattro.

I said back on topic damn it.... and you could at least have plagiarised a little instead of copy/paste from Wikipedia!

Shhhhh! It could have been worse, we don't need to see another Eddie Izzard or Robin Williams clip.