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[Jaelcee]

Was the overtaking manouvre by Vettel on Button legal. DC's comment during the race implied it was , since he thought he had straddled the yellow line. He clearly went way over the line and, therefore, off the racing track, thereby gaining an advantage. No objection raised by McLaren so they thought it was OK or, did they think it was inevitable so why bother. Any idea of the rules in this case.

[Jamie]

Agree, given the circumstances I think McLaren should of been petty and got him a Penalty.

racing is racing and Vettel should of been thrown into the pits for 20 seconds

[killem2]

His move was fine, I think it was because he kept two of his tires inside the track.

[myownalias]

I can't find a youtube video showing the pass but what I saw was Vettel with all four wheels over the line and that is against the rules; you can not gain an advantage by leaving the confines of the track. Vettel definitely got an advantage; if there was a wall there he would have hit it so wouldn't have made the pass. But the FIA stewards missed it so it doesn't matter!

[killem2]

I can't find a youtube video showing the pass but what I saw was Vettel with all four wheels over the line and that is against the rules; you can not gain an advantage by leaving the confines of the track. Vettel definitely got an advantage; if there was a wall there he would have hit it so wouldn't have made the pass. But the FIA stewards missed it so it doesn't matter!

I have the thing recorded at home I can upload it.

My fantasy team thanks the stewards lack of attention

[bud]

I think on the corner in question there is a bit of leniency going offline there, Unlike Buttons pass on Massa which he should have given back straight away just to be safe.

[spankyham]

For me Jenson's pass was fine - no penalty should have been applied.

I argued Nando's case last year in his incident with Kubica. Funny how these things seem to repeat themselves.

The duel between Jens and Felipe for those early sting of laps up to the first round of tyre changes was simply excellent and was exactly what F1 should be encouraging. And, the stupid flappy thing didn't add one iota to the battle. I'm surprised to read people canning Felipe, I thought he had a pretty good race. Holding off a charging, way faster Macca - that was excellent.

Back to the Jenson penalty, as I said at the start - what a crock. Egads, we need to encourage that!

There's a video that gets posted pretty regularly, it's the late-great GV battling with Arnoux for 2nd place at the 79? French GP. Count how many times they go off track. And, you know what I find brilliant about that duel, the commentators, drivers and teams all just applauded and enjoyed the spectacle we were treated to. Not one complained about going off track or "the stewards should look into that". I remember one commentator at last years Singapore GP carrying on like a pork chop for literally ages because one car moved over on track to another car - lol. That's whats robbing us of great duels.

We'll get more legendary duels (like that) if passes like Jenson's are allowed to stick. And I guarantee, if we get more duels like that, it will bring far more fans to F1 than any stupid flappy thing ever will.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

Yes, it was a four-off.

S.R. 20.3 reads in part:

"Should a car leave the track for any reason the driver may rejoin. However, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any advantage."

1. Vettel already was leading Button when he had his four-off. He rejoined without endangering anyone and without improving his position. It therefore was in keeping with SR20.3.

2. Button remained on the circuit despite having been assessed a drive-through penalty which he hadn't yet served so he would have given that position up to Vettel in any case.

[nish2280]

In my opinion it looked as if Jenson half arsed the overtake and then just took the escape route when felipe defended. However, Vettel threw his balls on the line, risked his car and his race on a very bumpy (and probably slippery) part of the track and completed the overtake.

And i dont think you can say that it added to the show because it stopped the two from battling further as one would expect from a failed overtake (which jenson's move seemed to be).

[Jensonb]

Was the overtaking manouvre by Vettel on Button legal. DC's comment during the race implied it was , since he thought he had straddled the yellow line. He clearly went way over the line and, therefore, off the racing track, thereby gaining an advantage. No objection raised by McLaren so they thought it was OK or, did they think it was inevitable so why bother. Any idea of the rules in this case.

Vettel's move was equally as illegal as Jenson's. Buemi also pulled off a move much like Vettel's without penalty.

In my opinion it looked as if Jenson half arsed the overtake and then just took the escape route when felipe defended. However, Vettel threw his balls on the line, risked his car and his race on a very bumpy (and probably slippery) part of the track and completed the overtake.

And i dont think you can say that it added to the show because it stopped the two from battling further as one would expect from a failed overtake (which jenson's move seemed to be).

Felipe ran him off the road. The replays showed Jenson having to dart quickly to the right to avoid a collision, right before he was forced to take to the escape road. By that point it was too late to brake and tuck in behind because he risked surprising Fernando who could have kept his foot down and unwittingly plowed into the back of him.

[killem2]

Felipe ran him off the road. The replays showed Jenson having to dart quickly to the right to avoid a collision, right before he was forced to take to the escape road. By that point it was too late to brake and tuck in behind because he risked surprising Fernando who could have kept his foot down and unwittingly plowed into the back of him.

I think jensen should have just given the spot back and here's why.

When is the last time there has been a stewards inquiries when cutting a chicane was involved that caused someone to actually pass the person in front of them, go with out penalty? I'm not talking Nico Hulkenburg/webber @ monza type stuff.

If it were me, I wouldn't want to take the chance. Just because they are so fickle.

[Jensonb]

Felipe ran him off the road. The replays showed Jenson having to dart quickly to the right to avoid a collision, right before he was forced to take to the escape road. By that point it was too late to brake and tuck in behind because he risked surprising Fernando who could have kept his foot down and unwittingly plowed into the back of him.

I think jensen should have just given the spot back and here's why.

When is the last time there has been a stewards inquiries when cutting a chicane was involved that caused someone to actually pass the person in front of them, go with out penalty? I'm not talking Nico Hulkenburg/webber @ monza type stuff.

If it were me, I wouldn't want to take the chance. Just because they are so fickle.

-Shrug- He just followed the McLaren procedure.

[killem2]

I'm sure he did but if I were him, I'd say listen guys I'm not getting *****ed because you want to take a risk.

[Jensonb]

I'm sure he did but if I were him, I'd say listen guys I'm not getting *****ed because you want to take a risk.

For better or worse, Jenson trusts his team. I think in the long run it's for the best.

[myownalias]

I'm sure he did but if I were him, I'd say listen guys I'm not getting *****ed because you want to take a risk.

For better or worse, Jenson trusts his team. I think in the long run it's for the best.

Jenson is known as the thinking man's driver; which I why I like him as a driver but on this occasion he didn't use his head; a penalty was always coming; all he needed to do was blend the throttle to let Massa past before the two Ferrari's did the switcheroo, the McLaren had the pace to be on the podium, poor call from Jenson on this occasion!