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[McLaren Fan]

This thread is full of idiots who have no idea what they are talking about.

awww, me included?

No, I didn't mean you. I'm talking about these clowns who are spaming the forum with their rubbish and refusing to see sense. I've no issues with people who have only started watching the sport - and that's not to say you have - but it frustrates me when you eejits who have just jumped on the bandwagon in the last season or two trying to tell people who have watched the sport for years on end that they are right.

[big ron]

Hehe, I was only jesting (and hoping ). However, I'll admit I'm a relative newcomer to F1 - I switched over when they banned group B rallying

[Master Asia]

jajajajajajajajajajajaja...Hamilton Won, and if the FIA wants to change the rules for next year because they think the points system is what made Hamilton win then go ahead, Hamilton still has the skill and if not he's still in F1

[stonemonkey]

Drying track! Hahahahahaha yeah right, I suppose Brundle and Allen were paid to say it was 'raining hard' just as Hamilton was starting his 2nd last lap.

[onelapdown]

jajajajajajajajajajajaja...Hamilton Won, and if the FIA wants to change the rules for next year because they think the points system is what made Hamilton win then go ahead, Hamilton still has the skill and if not he's still in F1

Actually a change to a winner takes all system would probably favour Hamilton, as both last year and this he's been OK when chasing wins but a little suspect when settling for points.

[al4x]

its at this time its probably good to give the forum a break for a bit,

trolls, [i diidnt know what one was till a few months ago, this and another are the only forums i use] go after a bit

then ur left with the old crew

u know who u are, i could name names

[TruthTellerF1]

For the record I'm a Hamilton fan.

I've never accused McLaren of anything fraudulent or illegal or cheating for that matter.

But as an F1 fan for over 20 years, I recognise a driver easing off and moving over. This was no Silverstone and it was no Spa. There was very little or no surface water, there was little or no spray. Agreed, it was raining cats and dogs a few minutes after the end of the GP and of course we had the shower for a few laps from about lap 63. But the time this pic was taken...



...Glock was comfortable on his dry tyres, Hamilton was no where near him nor anywhere near Vettel. Its not actually that bad a pic, what certainly is clear is that the alleged water that caused Glock to lose some 15-18 seconds over 30 seconds of the final lap was just not there.

For those who followed the action live, you will be aware of the miracle that occured as the red sea parted and Bernie's boy was waved into 5th. Its nice when someone has your back. No one will dare to come out and directly address what happened exactly at that turn because their will be evidence to contradict it whether someone spills be beans from the teams or the radio comms is released.

And to those of you who are whinging - you saw the title on the thread before you came here to post. Dont walk into a pub and complain everyone is drinking.

[csrracer]

Just curios.... according to your theory of NO Rain, where all the Brazilian/Ferrari/Massa fans in on the conspiracy when they put their rain ponchos on?

[racechick]

You really are talking . Bernies boy? After what the FIA have done this season?
And how many times do you need it explaining to you that it is not only the water that causes the car to slide, it is the loss of heat to the tyres. Glock was sliding on ice and all he cud do was get out of the way so as not to slide into someone. This is not rocket science!!

[kerc]

We all know Toyota is short of cash. That's why they did it.

[EwanM]

The question asked in this thread is just as stupid as if I were to ask, why do cows make milk?

[csrracer]

[quote="TruthTellerF1"]
Truth Teller ( AKA forum Troll)
according to you the dry tires where working fine yet you still haven't explained why Trulli on the left of your picture has no traction and is at opposite lock.
How did you become so much smarter than everyone at Ferrari? Because I would think if there was some sort of foul play they would be the first to complain. Maybe you can send them your resume and they will be able to win the WDC with your superior intelligence working for them next year.

[EwanM]

Time to close this thread with some home truths.
You may, like me not like Hamilton as champion (no offence Mclaren of course)
BUT ACCEPT IT. This is the norm and will be until this time next year - unless he wins again of course.

The End.

No sequels.
Nor Oscar nominations.

[kerc]

How did you become so much smarter than everyone at Ferrari? Because I would think if there was some sort of foul play they would be the first to complain. Maybe you can send them your resume and they will be able to win the WDC with your superior intelligence working for them next year.

Hey, it's obvious--McLaren also paid Ferrari to shut up!

[onelapdown]

OK, lets look at the lap times:

Lap 65: Glock 1:15.751 Trulli 1:15.551 (This was their dry pace)
Lap 66: Glock 1:17.992 Trulli 1:19.133
Lap 67: Glock 1:18.897 Trulli 1:20.528
Lap 68: Glock 1:18.816 Trulli 1:20.188

That looks to me like a light shower, which the Toyota drivers felt they were on top of. As this light rain came down all but Toyota decided to pit, expecting the rain to worsen.

Lap 69: Glock 1:18.688 Trulli 1:22.428

Trulli was running in seventh, behind Glock, so perhaps the fact that he lost 2 seconds more to his team-mate than on previous laps shows that as Trulli approached the parts of the track Glock had just been through conditions were worsening.

Lap 70: Glock 1:28.041 Trulli 1:33.539

Glock has lost 10 seconds in one lap, and again Trulli has lost even more time than Glock. Fits the pattern from Lap 69.

Lap 71: Glock 1:44.731 Trulli 1:44.800

Now how could they have done such similar lap times other than because they were both suffering from the same conditions???

As for your photo, you are obviously a total rookie in F1 matters, or you're extremely stupid. It does not have to actually be raining on a particular corner for rain to cost a driver time through it and it is easily possible for rain to fall on only some parts of a circuit. All through the race the weather was coming in from behind the grandstand opposite the pit straight, which would have also affected the Laranja, Pinheirinho and Cotovelo corners on the other side of the pits that Glock had just gone through before Vettel and Hamilton came upon him. This would first of all have lost him time slipping and sliding on the damp track, but would also have killed his tyre temperatures through Mergulho and Juncao, which is how Vettel and Hamilton were able to pass him.

Next you'll be telling me the Toyota-engined Williams's were in on it, hence their tag-team take out of DC's helmet cam, meaning we don't have the onboard shots that would have shown us what the conditions were REALLY like.