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#52555
No I was responding to what Lewis said about only listening to his dad... I mean what does his dad know about becoming a world champion and being marketable?

That's how I read what you said Ewan, and I'm wondering the same thing.
#52556
No I was responding to what Lewis said about only listening to his dad... I mean what does his dad know about becoming a world champion and being marketable?

That's how I read what you said Ewan, and I'm wondering the same thing.

I would question his father's knowledge of how the whole Formula One circus and professional sport works, as well as his completely impartial, family-biased advice to his son.
#52558
No I was responding to what Lewis said about only listening to his dad... I mean what does his dad know about becoming a world champion and being marketable?

That's how I read what you said Ewan, and I'm wondering the same thing.


Cheers mate, was wondering if I had made any sense.
#52566
Well, first of all, I dispute your assertion about who hands out skill in general. Secondly, who assesses those skill levels and how? YOU? Thirdly, skill levels (as you put it) are not a constant thing, they evolve - and part of such a development is exactly what you described: hard work, determination, hard work, avoiding mistakes, hard work, listening to advice, did I mention hard work? And lastly, I'm pretty sure you said not too long ago that FM is a clown and doesn't have what it takes to become champion - now, in view of your recent post, wouldn't that qualify as a change of heart on your side? :wink:

I'm not her to get into a philosophical debate on what skill is and isn't. You are right to say that skill can evolve, but there are some things that some drivers can do and others simply can't do or be able to do as well. However, with a lot of hard work, readiness to listen and learn etc., you can atone for some but not all of those. Massa has evolved from being a clown who was often erratic, inconsistent and error prone to a safe pair of hands, but his skills are not going to evolve to levels seen in drivers like Ayrton Senna.


You have certainly noticed that I've never compared FM to the likes of MS or AP or AS. All I was disputing when you classified him as a clown was just that - he's evolved to being a solid driver (not just this season, already last season - he just had a few bad luck incidents that made him fall back in the points and de facto the support driver for RK towards the end of the season). I would rate him on par with the likes of DH or Keke - enough for a title or two if the stars align in the right way :wink: If he keeps working and improving his skills at the rate we've seen in the past couple years, he could even excel to line up together with MH and FA in the F1 books - heck, with the greatest F1 driver ever at his side giving him advice it should show, right? :hehe:
#52569
Well, first of all, I dispute your assertion about who hands out skill in general. Secondly, who assesses those skill levels and how? YOU? Thirdly, skill levels (as you put it) are not a constant thing, they evolve - and part of such a development is exactly what you described: hard work, determination, hard work, avoiding mistakes, hard work, listening to advice, did I mention hard work? And lastly, I'm pretty sure you said not too long ago that FM is a clown and doesn't have what it takes to become champion - now, in view of your recent post, wouldn't that qualify as a change of heart on your side? :wink:

I'm not her to get into a philosophical debate on what skill is and isn't. You are right to say that skill can evolve, but there are some things that some drivers can do and others simply can't do or be able to do as well. However, with a lot of hard work, readiness to listen and learn etc., you can atone for some but not all of those. Massa has evolved from being a clown who was often erratic, inconsistent and error prone to a safe pair of hands, but his skills are not going to evolve to levels seen in drivers like Ayrton Senna.


You have certainly noticed that I've never compared FM to the likes of MS or AP or AS. All I was disputing when you classified him as a clown was just that - he's evolved to being a solid driver (not just this season, already last season - he just had a few bad luck incidents that made him fall back in the points and de facto the support driver for RK towards the end of the season). I would rate him on par with the likes of DH or Keke - enough for a title or two if the stars align in the right way :wink: If he keeps working and improving his skills at the rate we've seen in the past couple years, he could even excel to line up together with MH and FA in the F1 books - heck, with the greatest F1 driver ever at his side giving him advice it should show, right? :hehe:


The greatest F1 driver statistically ;)

That may even be broken by the likes of LEWIS HAMILLLLTON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111LOLOLO!!!1111!!!!!!!!!111!!
#52578
Well, first of all, I dispute your assertion about who hands out skill in general. Secondly, who assesses those skill levels and how? YOU? Thirdly, skill levels (as you put it) are not a constant thing, they evolve - and part of such a development is exactly what you described: hard work, determination, hard work, avoiding mistakes, hard work, listening to advice, did I mention hard work? And lastly, I'm pretty sure you said not too long ago that FM is a clown and doesn't have what it takes to become champion - now, in view of your recent post, wouldn't that qualify as a change of heart on your side? :wink:

I'm not her to get into a philosophical debate on what skill is and isn't. You are right to say that skill can evolve, but there are some things that some drivers can do and others simply can't do or be able to do as well. However, with a lot of hard work, readiness to listen and learn etc., you can atone for some but not all of those. Massa has evolved from being a clown who was often erratic, inconsistent and error prone to a safe pair of hands, but his skills are not going to evolve to levels seen in drivers like Ayrton Senna.


You have certainly noticed that I've never compared FM to the likes of MS or AP or AS. All I was disputing when you classified him as a clown was just that - he's evolved to being a solid driver (not just this season, already last season - he just had a few bad luck incidents that made him fall back in the points and de facto the support driver for RK towards the end of the season). I would rate him on par with the likes of DH or Keke - enough for a title or two if the stars align in the right way :wink: If he keeps working and improving his skills at the rate we've seen in the past couple years, he could even excel to line up together with MH and FA in the F1 books - heck, with the greatest F1 driver ever at his side giving him advice it should show, right? :hehe:


The greatest F1 driver statistically ;)

That may even be broken by the likes of LEWIS HAMILLLLTON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111LOLOLO!!!1111!!!!!!!!!111!!


Nah, won't happen :wink:
#52579
Well, first of all, I dispute your assertion about who hands out skill in general. Secondly, who assesses those skill levels and how? YOU? Thirdly, skill levels (as you put it) are not a constant thing, they evolve - and part of such a development is exactly what you described: hard work, determination, hard work, avoiding mistakes, hard work, listening to advice, did I mention hard work? And lastly, I'm pretty sure you said not too long ago that FM is a clown and doesn't have what it takes to become champion - now, in view of your recent post, wouldn't that qualify as a change of heart on your side? :wink:

I'm not her to get into a philosophical debate on what skill is and isn't. You are right to say that skill can evolve, but there are some things that some drivers can do and others simply can't do or be able to do as well. However, with a lot of hard work, readiness to listen and learn etc., you can atone for some but not all of those. Massa has evolved from being a clown who was often erratic, inconsistent and error prone to a safe pair of hands, but his skills are not going to evolve to levels seen in drivers like Ayrton Senna.


You have certainly noticed that I've never compared FM to the likes of MS or AP or AS. All I was disputing when you classified him as a clown was just that - he's evolved to being a solid driver (not just this season, already last season - he just had a few bad luck incidents that made him fall back in the points and de facto the support driver for RK towards the end of the season). I would rate him on par with the likes of DH or Keke - enough for a title or two if the stars align in the right way :wink: If he keeps working and improving his skills at the rate we've seen in the past couple years, he could even excel to line up together with MH and FA in the F1 books - heck, with the greatest F1 driver ever at his side giving him advice it should show, right? :hehe:


The greatest F1 driver statistically ;)

That may even be broken by the likes of LEWIS HAMILLLLTON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111LOLOLO!!!1111!!!!!!!!!111!!


Nah, won't happen :wink:



I know, :hehe: But what if it did :eek::eek:
#52582
I would bow my head in humility and start taking belly dance lessons! :biglaugh:


Let's hope it happens then :wink:

More chance of Montoya admitting he was wrong to leave F1 though.
#52584
Nice little article on Lewis on F1-Live. I'll quote just one paragraph:

"I'm in a unique position," the Briton is quoted as saying by the Daily Mail. "Nobody has felt exactly the same things as I've felt. The only person I really take advice from is my dad."


It is not only the dad thing. Each sentence is talking volumes.

I'm in a unique position - well, isn't every driver in his own unique position..? Is he trying to tell us his position is extra-unique just because he thinks he is, er, more unique than the other drivers..?

Nobody has felt exactly the same things as I've felt - so he is not just uber-unique, he also knows for fact how everyone else ever felt. Guess that is part of his uniqueness... darn Jedi mind tricks... No. Really. :rolleyes:

And, of course, the dad factor. Well OK, the dad wants the best for his son and family, but what kind of advice can he give when it comes to real driving stuff? Except how to hit kindergarten with uber-expensive super car..? I mean, I've been driving Gran Turismo 4 for a year, and a bit of Race Driver 3 and latest GRID... not to mention countless Need for Speed games. Heck I can give much more useful advices than Antony... and, well, it shows (Antony, not me).

Rest of article is almost as much ridiculous. Take a look and you''ll find that, addressing reporters, Lewis thinks that (quote): you know me - I don't bullpoo. You help me get my message across.. Last guy who was getting his message across was, like, Gandhi. Jesus maybe? We don't get ordinary people getting message across every day, now, do we?

And Lewis is ordinary guy, because reporters have also learned that (quote): You help me shine as a normal person to the public. That's why these people are standing outside waiting to see me.. So there we go. He shines as normal person, and has his message across while shining (like a normal person normally do). And like every normal person, he is uber-unique and he feels the way no one ever felt before (for fact!), which is also so normal. And shining. And unique. And much more. :yes:

At the end of day, I'm just finding him so amusing that,thinking of it, I'm kind of glad he is there. F1 would be so much more boring without him. He's the best thing that could happen to F1... after Hulk Hogan. :thumbup:
#52587
Nice little article on Lewis on F1-Live. I'll quote just one paragraph:

"I'm in a unique position," the Briton is quoted as saying by the Daily Mail. "Nobody has felt exactly the same things as I've felt. The only person I really take advice from is my dad."


It is not only the dad thing. Each sentence is talking volumes.

I'm in a unique position - well, isn't every driver in his own unique position..? Is he trying to tell us his position is extra-unique just because he thinks he is, er, more unique than the other drivers..?

Nobody has felt exactly the same things as I've felt - so he is not just uber-unique, he also knows for fact how everyone else ever felt. Guess that is part of his uniqueness... darn Jedi mind tricks... No. Really. :rolleyes:

And, of course, the dad factor. Well OK, the dad wants the best for his son and family, but what kind of advice can he give when it comes to real driving stuff? Except how to hit kindergarten with uber-expensive super car..? I mean, I've been driving Gran Turismo 4 for a year, and a bit of Race Driver 3 and latest GRID... not to mention countless Need for Speed games. Heck I can give much more useful advices than Antony... and, well, it shows (Antony, not me).

Rest of article is almost as much ridiculous. Take a look and you''ll find that, addressing reporters, Lewis thinks that (quote): you know me - I don't bullpoo. You help me get my message across.. Last guy who was getting his message across was, like, Gandhi. Jesus maybe? We don't get ordinary people getting message across every day, now, do we?

And Lewis is ordinary guy, because reporters have also learned that (quote): You help me shine as a normal person to the public. That's why these people are standing outside waiting to see me.. So there we go. He shines as normal person, and has his message across while shining (like a normal person normally do). And like every normal person, he is uber-unique and he feels the way no one ever felt before (for fact!), which is also so normal. And shining. And unique. And much more. :yes:

At the end of day, I'm just finding him so amusing that,thinking of it, I'm kind of glad he is there. F1 would be so much more boring without him. He's the best thing that could happen to F1... after Hulk Hogan. :thumbup:


Thats why I love the Hammaroide so much :eek::yuck::vomit:

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#52612
Nice little article on Lewis on F1-Live. I'll quote just one paragraph:

"I'm in a unique position," the Briton is quoted as saying by the Daily Mail. "Nobody has felt exactly the same things as I've felt. The only person I really take advice from is my dad."


It is not only the dad thing. Each sentence is talking volumes.

I'm in a unique position - well, isn't every driver in his own unique position..? Is he trying to tell us his position is extra-unique just because he thinks he is, er, more unique than the other drivers..?

Nobody has felt exactly the same things as I've felt - so he is not just uber-unique, he also knows for fact how everyone else ever felt. Guess that is part of his uniqueness... darn Jedi mind tricks... No. Really. :rolleyes:

And, of course, the dad factor. Well OK, the dad wants the best for his son and family, but what kind of advice can he give when it comes to real driving stuff? Except how to hit kindergarten with uber-expensive super car..? I mean, I've been driving Gran Turismo 4 for a year, and a bit of Race Driver 3 and latest GRID... not to mention countless Need for Speed games. Heck I can give much more useful advices than Antony... and, well, it shows (Antony, not me).

Rest of article is almost as much ridiculous. Take a look and you''ll find that, addressing reporters, Lewis thinks that (quote): you know me - I don't bullpoo. You help me get my message across.. Last guy who was getting his message across was, like, Gandhi. Jesus maybe? We don't get ordinary people getting message across every day, now, do we?

And Lewis is ordinary guy, because reporters have also learned that (quote): You help me shine as a normal person to the public. That's why these people are standing outside waiting to see me.. So there we go. He shines as normal person, and has his message across while shining (like a normal person normally do). And like every normal person, he is uber-unique and he feels the way no one ever felt before (for fact!), which is also so normal. And shining. And unique. And much more. :yes:

At the end of day, I'm just finding him so amusing that,thinking of it, I'm kind of glad he is there. F1 would be so much more boring without him. He's the best thing that could happen to F1... after Hulk Hogan. :thumbup:


Hey Nikon, its ok mate, we get it, you dont like Lewis :wink:
#52621
Nice little article on Lewis on F1-Live. I'll quote just one paragraph:

"I'm in a unique position," the Briton is quoted as saying by the Daily Mail. "Nobody has felt exactly the same things as I've felt. The only person I really take advice from is my dad."


It is not only the dad thing. Each sentence is talking volumes.

I'm in a unique position - well, isn't every driver in his own unique position..? Is he trying to tell us his position is extra-unique just because he thinks he is, er, more unique than the other drivers..?

Nobody has felt exactly the same things as I've felt - so he is not just uber-unique, he also knows for fact how everyone else ever felt. Guess that is part of his uniqueness... darn Jedi mind tricks... No. Really. :rolleyes:

And, of course, the dad factor. Well OK, the dad wants the best for his son and family, but what kind of advice can he give when it comes to real driving stuff? Except how to hit kindergarten with uber-expensive super car..? I mean, I've been driving Gran Turismo 4 for a year, and a bit of Race Driver 3 and latest GRID... not to mention countless Need for Speed games. Heck I can give much more useful advices than Antony... and, well, it shows (Antony, not me).

Rest of article is almost as much ridiculous. Take a look and you''ll find that, addressing reporters, Lewis thinks that (quote): you know me - I don't bullpoo. You help me get my message across.. Last guy who was getting his message across was, like, Gandhi. Jesus maybe? We don't get ordinary people getting message across every day, now, do we?

And Lewis is ordinary guy, because reporters have also learned that (quote): You help me shine as a normal person to the public. That's why these people are standing outside waiting to see me.. So there we go. He shines as normal person, and has his message across while shining (like a normal person normally do). And like every normal person, he is uber-unique and he feels the way no one ever felt before (for fact!), which is also so normal. And shining. And unique. And much more. :yes:

At the end of day, I'm just finding him so amusing that,thinking of it, I'm kind of glad he is there. F1 would be so much more boring without him. He's the best thing that could happen to F1... after Hulk Hogan. :thumbup:


Hey Nikon, its ok mate, we get it, you dont like Lewis :wink:


No, RC, I'm actually starting to like him :tongue:

As I said, F1 would be much more boring place without him :yes: Think of a horror having 20 Kimis on the track (and off the track). Great for local pubs, though... :wine:

I guess you'll hardly believe me, but I'd like him to get down to the ground, hire professional assistance/management staff and actually start improving and showing what he can do - with the right mindset. With his current attitude, I think he'll always have a bit more ballast to slow him down.
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