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By ivey
#163460
doing anything to win is a fundermental flaw of any truely driven person, look at the likes of Senna and Schumacher.

That's why I love Hamilton and think he's the most interesting driver out there. But sometimes it can pay off worse like Brazil 2007, Japan 2008, Bahrain 2008 etc.
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By racechick
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doing anything to win is a fundermental flaw of any truely driven person, look at the likes of Senna and Schumacher.

That's why I love Hamilton and think he's the most interesting driver out there. But sometimes it can pay off worse like Brazil 2007, Japan 2008, Bahrain 2008 etc.

:thumbup: Best guy out there to watch! Goes wrong sometimes of course, but when its good its very very good :D
By Montyjnr
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Suppose in 2010 that it is LH & KR at McLaren and FA and FM at Ferrari

McLaren:

Lewis Hamiton: 50 races, 46 classified finises, 36 points finishes, 11 race wins and 15 other podium finishes.

Averages five points per race, 2.9 per race this season.

Lewis started phenomenally, possibly the most successful start to an F1 career EVER.

Over this season, he has matured somewhat as a driver, but I believe he is still consumed by something of a 'banzai' spirit, such as displayed at Fuji in 2008, and at Imola this year. People may scoff, but Lewis, by his own admission, is a racer. You don't get to the pinnacle of motorsport without being a) massively ambitious and aggressive b) massively talented and c) massively selfish.

Given the right car next year, he would be my equal odds on favourite to win in 2010.

Wisely, for most of the year, Lewis has been regining in his off-track commentary, and (mostly) just getting on with the job.

In 2010, with Kimi as a possible team mate, I'd guess he'll probably become a little more verbose, but nothing like the foot-in-mouth disease he developed in 2008.

Kimi Raikkonen: 154 races, 110 classified finises, 94 points finishes, 18 race wins and 44 other podium finishes.

Averages 3.7 points per race, 3 per race this season.

Kimi is, in my book, a text book race driver. He is Mr Consistency. When on form Kimi is one of those drivers that seems to be metronomic, almost robotic, in performance.

Kimi didn't get the start that Lewis did, but performed admirablly in the Sauber in his first year, and then struggled manfully with the very quick but woefully unreliable McLaren in 2001.

Personally, he's my second favourite race driver (after Mark Webber). However, he's almost painful to watch him in the spotlight. He just closes down when he knows a camera is on him. He also has that typical Finnish directness, even bluntness, that many ascribe to a lack of tact or respect for his interviewer, fans or whoever. Hakkinen was somewhat similar: direct and straightforward, but had a little more sparkle in terms of personality.

If Kimi is at McLaren next year, I think it will really put a rocket up him or knock him off the perch completely. Faced with an incumbent, and supremely confident, Lewis Hamilton, I get the feeling that Kimi is either going to respond gloriously, or do a JPM in 2006 and chuck it in half way through the season. I'm much more for the former than the latter.


Both Kimi and Lewis have struggled with less than stellar cars this year, and both have also seen their fortunes change as McLaren and Ferrari have brought their formidable resources to bear on resurrecting the peformance of their cars. Both of them have been on the podium four times each in the last five races. Lewis has scored 44 points in the last five, Kimi 43. If this was the start of the season, then they would be about 15 points clear of the next fastest driver.

Ferrari:

Felipe Massa: 114 races, 93 classified finises, 57 points finishes, 11 race wins and 17 other podium finishes.

Averages 2.8 points per race, 2.7 per race this season

To me, Massa is like a fine brandy. It starts out as a fiery, raw spirit, but as it ages it picks up more character and quality. Massa is statistically the least successful of the drivers in the two teams, but I also believe his is the one that has developed most as a racer, and also the most dogged and determined. Like Kimi, he started in a Sauber, but had a few more years hard graft before he got his chance with a top team.

He might be Brazilian, but to me there is very little little of the angry and passionate flashes that I've come to expect from the Brazilian temprament (having lived in Salvador for 6 months, I've experianced quite a few of those). Most of the rough edges have been worn away by what I consider one of the most professional approachs to F1 in the current driver field, something that FM has consciously cultivated.

To me, Fleipe is best at tight and controlled courses, street circuits and technical race tracks seem to suit his style. This is good news for him, as many of the old style flowing tracks disappear into the pages of hitroy (although a shame for the rest of it). It may sound a little cruel, but the more processional a race track is, the better I think it suits him.

Racing against FA, I get the feeling that Felipe may just suffer from some favouritism as the Spaniard joins the team next year.

Fernando Alosno: 133 races, 109 classified finises, 92 points finishes, 21 race wins and 33 other podium finishes.[/b]

Averages 4.2 points per race, 1.7 per race this season

I flat out don't like FA, but he is also an amazing driver. Something about him just kind of gets up my nose.

That said, if Ferrari put a good car under him, I'd expect him to beat everyone else in 2010. Even with the Renaul row boat that the put out this year, he consitently, doggedly and (it pains me to admit this) somethimes brilliantly puts the car into the points and challenges drivers in much quicker machines. He is one of the most technical, intelligent and flat out fast drivers around, and is reportedly as much at home with development as he is on race day.

FA and Ferrari a perfect fit? I don't really know. But we'll have at least three years to see.
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Nice analysis Montyjnr, I pretty much agree with the facts, on opinion side my feelings would be switched between Alonso and Lewis. But anyway it's nice to read neutral posts sometimes instead of the fanatic posting about whose the best ever driver in the world.

I expect Alonso to fit well in Ferrari, and stay there to win a few more driver's championships. If not during the 1st year, he'll change the car to fit for his driving and will be.

Mclaren is difficult to say, both drivers are capable, but first of all Kimi is not yet confirmed, and second let's see what happens with the mercedes engines. I see Brawn and Red Bull being able to challenge them still next year.
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By racechick
#163513
Thats an excellent post Montyjnr, really well reasoned. Id agree with most of what you said. That was a good read. Thanks.
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By ducksfan
#163521
Very good post montyjnr indeed, but I have some slight disagreements. When considering Alonso, he did the best only when he had crappy driver next to him (Fisichella fans please excuse me). When he was racing with Lewis, he was perfect, but he could've been even better. Therefore I'm afraid, what will he do, when racing in a team with a even better driver, than Lewis was in 07, which is Massa. I just hope he won't do stupid things, and ruin the whole team.
By Amanda
#163523
Nice post Montyjnr. It's lovely to see some good unbiased analysis. :thumbup:

Only one question, Imola 2009? Do you mean Monza?
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By 7UpJordan
#163552
Only one question, Imola 2009? Do you mean Monza?

I was getting my hopes up then that Imola had returned to the calendar. :P
By vaptin
#163748
MW is a genius to come up with the plan for HK today.HK can't race so we will use him to burn the ferrari's :hehe:


they don't call him the iceman for nothing you know

anyway - amazing how when massa does it the jokes on him, when heki does it its still against ferrari.
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By ivey
#163749
MW is a genius to come up with the plan for HK today.HK can't race so we will use him to burn the ferrari's :hehe:

I didn't get it why McLaren didn't put HK on a 1stop race while Hamilton had the best tactics EVER. Still HK hasn't passed Massa in WDC...let's hope he'll accomplish this goal in Abu Dhabi. At the moment score is even at 22-22.

GREAT race for Lewis, absaolutely fantastic. Feel sorry for Raikkonen though, he had a nice chance to win the race.
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By darwin dali
#163754
MW is a genius to come up with the plan for HK today.HK can't race so we will use him to burn the ferrari's :hehe:


they don't call him the iceman for nothing you know

anyway - amazing how when massa does it the jokes on him, when heki does it its still against ferrari.

:yes:

At least Ferrari last year didn't burn up cars with their shenanigans! Plus today it was a clear mistake in an attempt to gain an advantage - the lollipop man had his eyes on KR's Ferrari and tried to beat him by releasing HK too early while completely missing the fact that the fuel hose was still attached to the car. In FM's case there was some technical difficulty with their light signal system involved.
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By bud
#163759
MW is a genius to come up with the plan for HK today.HK can't race so we will use him to burn the ferrari's :hehe:

I didn't get it why McLaren didn't put HK on a 1stop race while Hamilton had the best tactics EVER.


Heikki pitted 3 times compared to Lewis' 2. I didnt catch it but he must have pitted after the fuel hose incident to check the car over?


and DD youre wrong!! ahh that felt good :hehe: Because there was a SC Ferrari used the lights system manually.
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By ivey
#163761
MW is a genius to come up with the plan for HK today.HK can't race so we will use him to burn the ferrari's :hehe:

I didn't get it why McLaren didn't put HK on a 1stop race while Hamilton had the best tactics EVER.


Heikki pitted 3 times compared to Lewis' 2. I didnt catch it but he must have pitted after the fuel hose incident to check the car over?


and DD youre wrong!! ahh that felt good :hehe: Because there was a SC Ferrari used the lights system manually.

Yeah I'm sorry 2stop and 3stop, but still. Maybe the question really was if he had the right amount of fuel in his car.
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By darwin dali
#163762
MW is a genius to come up with the plan for HK today.HK can't race so we will use him to burn the ferrari's :hehe:

I didn't get it why McLaren didn't put HK on a 1stop race while Hamilton had the best tactics EVER.


Heikki pitted 3 times compared to Lewis' 2. I didnt catch it but he must have pitted after the fuel hose incident to check the car over?


and DD youre wrong!! ahh that felt good :hehe: Because there was a SC Ferrari used the lights system manually.


I know. But the system undoubtedly contributed to it.
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